Texas Seceding?

[formlesstree4 18]

What are your thoughts on the possibility of Texas Seceding?

 

I'm all for it actually.

 

1. We have a better economy than the USA

2. We can easily support ourselves

3. We've done it in the past, though we didn't have an easy job due to Mexico still wanting us

4. Supposedly, our world economy level is ranked 12th (So I've heard).

 

Granted, I love the United States, but right now, it's being driven into the ground.

Texas is one of the few states with a really stable economy and can actually support itself (sorry Michigan). I mean, we control the cattle, farming/ranching, not all the fishing, and we have oil here that Washington D.C. won't let us get to.

 

So now, what are your opinions?

[badjedidude 0]

LOL every time there are economic troubles or something, this little rumor seems to go around that Texans are thinking about seceding...I think it's sort of funny.

 

Alright, to be honest, since I'm staunchly a Yank, I would most definitely fight to preserve the Union...and the US would most arguably fight to keep Texas (and its good economy) in the Union as well. So we're talking about a 2nd Civil War here...is it worth it?

 

I can see the benefits of secession, but I also understand that it would require much bloodshed before it happens. Let's face it, secession is (apparently) unconstitutional. Once a territory gains Statehood and signs that contract, it is IN. The fed is not gonna let it go off willy-nilly on its own without a fight...so are the benefits worth the trouble of actually seceding? I can guarantee that EVEN IF Texas were to get out of the Union by force, it would still have a very large, angry (or downright hostile) neighbor to deal with. At any rate, I don't think Texas could successfully fight a war against the rest of the US on its own. It would need help from foreign countries or other seceding states...and that's a scenario that I don't think ANYONE wants.

 

I guess I'm just going in circles here, so to close: I can understand the sentiments, but I'm a Union guy and I would fight to keep the United States whole, for good or for ill. *shrug* That's what I think, anyway.

[formlesstree4 18]

Let's face it, secession is (apparently) unconstitutional.

Quite the opposite. It's more patriotic than you think. In fact, it's how this country was started. We seceded from the British to become what we are.

 

So we're talking about a 2nd Civil War here...is it worth it?

Not true. It is in an Amendment when Texas was added to the Union that we had the right to secede.

 

I can guarantee that EVEN IF Texas were to get out of the Union by force, it would still have a very large, angry (or downright hostile) neighbor to deal with.

Again, doubtful. The USA, based on the constitution, cannot force us to stay in because of our secession right.

[Leon 55]

Let's look at the political side of this from another country:

Texas seceding is a sign of the US not being able to keep it together, an thus, a sign of weakness. Because of this, there is a good chance that another country that has even slightly hostle toward the U.S. could move upon this and take advantage of such a position.

 

Among the countries who could see this as a weakness and plot against it: N. Korea

 

For those who have not kept up with the news, they have been testing long range nukes. In fact, they can quite possibly hit the west coast of the US. If this happens, we'll have 2 options as a country: Recall the troops from Iraq and use them in a new war, or start up the draft for said new war. If a nuke is aimed at the US, and US is invaded and possibly taken; Texas would be an EASY target, along with Canada.

 

Yes, seceding may be in Texas' best interest, but for how long?

[formlesstree4 18]

If North Korea actually did nuke us, they'd spark World War 3 as a Nuclear War. If they were seriously that stupid to probably kill us all, then we're all screwed. If they even fired a nuke, its not to say we couldn't stop it. Not to mention what would happen to N. Korea.

 

And frankly, right now, I don't see us being taken easily. We may have our troops spread out, but we have a draft and a lot of potential soldiers here. We could literally spring up an army over night.

[Leon 55]

After Obama's rally on how war is bad, he has the main populous against fighting, and thus, many would deny the draft, flee the country, or end up in prison. Trust me, most of america's 20 and 30 year olds wouldn't want to go, and even if they did, a good number of them are way out of shape. They wouldn't stand a chance against a veteran fighting force.

[badjedidude 0]

Ahhhh, quite right, I'd forgotten about that little secession clause in the Texas constitution. Well, I suppose that takes a bit of the wind out of my sails...but I still don't think the US government would let it happen that easily. There'd be plenty of economic sanctions or embargoes or something...tremendous political pressure (pressuring the UN to NOT recognize the new Texas country, etc)...

 

So you're right, Texas DOES have the right...but STILL, would it happen? I think it's very unlikely.

 

LEON: At the moment the combined might of all US forces is about what...1.5 million? Something like that? Even if ONLY FIVE PERCENT of all US citizens are of fighting age, gender, and fitness, that would give the US a military of approx 15 MILLION, a HUGE number of soldiers and definitely enough to ward off an invasion. Average time to train a soldier to readiness from straight off the streets? 6 months, give or take. And I guarantee you an invasion force big enough to even THINK about successfully invading the US would take months to gather, prepare, and embark. We'd would see such an obvious buildup of force and we'd have time to prepare for the storm.

[formlesstree4 18]

So you're right, Texas DOES have the right...but STILL, would it happen? I think it's very unlikely.

Unlikely, true, but still could happen.

[Jesse66126 4]

Texas cant susceed. there are strict laws against it. in fact,any public leader trying to rally people for it,would be put in prison for life or executed for trying. Scary! Besides Mexico would try to annexed Texas in a second if they did.

[formlesstree4 18]

Texas cant susceed. there are strict laws against it.

Please check your history. Texas can in fact secede from the Union. It's just not a good idea, since no law prevents us from leaving the Union, since that was in fact how the USA was started.

in fact,any public leader trying to rally people for it,would be put in prison for life or executed for trying.

I don't recall that in a law, and Mexico wouldn't take us either.

[Leon 55]

LEON: At the moment the combined might of all US forces is about what...1.5 million? Something like that? Even if ONLY FIVE PERCENT of all US citizens are of fighting age, gender, and fitness, that would give the US a military of approx 15 MILLION, a HUGE number of soldiers and definitely enough to ward off an invasion. Average time to train a soldier to readiness from straight off the streets? 6 months, give or take. And I guarantee you an invasion force big enough to even THINK about successfully invading the US would take months to gather, prepare, and embark. We'd would see such an obvious buildup of force and we'd have time to prepare for the storm.

 

If communist Korea is in fact testing missiles, and nukes, you can guarentee they have a ready to fly fighting force. Once they hit the U.S., unless they hit as far in as Utah, they will have a hell of a firefight. But if they were to hit the naval base in Hawaii, the one(s) in cali (forgot how many) and the airforce bases in both Nevada and utah, that would seriously cripple our defenses and take a good amount of time to rally a defense.

[formlesstree4 18]

Their long range missiles would have been detected and shot down before they even got here, and guys, we're getting seriously off topic here.

 

Can we please get back on topic?

[Jesse66126 4]

Their long range missiles would have been detected and shot down before they even got here, and guys, we're getting seriously off topic here.

 

Can we please get back on topic?

 

Texas is too small to survive as its own country,and remember the Alamo? YES! Mexico WOULD take Texas in a heartbeat.

Also,if they did secede,they'd have to pay taxes on imports from Louisiana,Mexico,New Mexico,and Oklahoma.

Plus they'd have to generate they're own economy and print a new set of money and forge they're own metal coins. Not to mention there'd be all sorts of riots through out the state by the people who like being part of the U.S.

[badjedidude 0]

Mexico could NOT take Texas. Mexico can barely hold itself together right now, let ALONE mount an attack on another country.

 

Lol and I don't think TOO many Texans would mind independence. The ones that wanted to remain with the US could always just leave or something.

 

Jesse66126: There are NO laws against secession, not at the federal level. Some states (Virginia, S. Carolina, etc) had to bring such wording into their STATE constitutions...but Texas was granted a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to separate from the Union. Read the constitution of Texas, you'll find it.

 

Leon: Like I said, it doesn't matter how "ready" a N. Korean force is. There's simply no way that they could transport a large amount of troops to the US without the US having ample warning. NORAD, anyone? Nuclear-impregnable detection of North American airspace invasion. If they used boats, we'd have months. If they used planes, we'd blow 'em out of the sky with our COMPLETELY dominant F-22. Not do-able, especially given N. Korea's decidedly lacking political capital in the international community. No one would stand for it. Back to topic...

 

Texas would probably create more problems for itself than benefits by secession.

[Leon 55]

IMO, if Texas Seceeded, Mexico, particularly the AK toting drug lords, could easily take Texas. I mean, do you realy think of Texas insulted the US by seceeding, that they'd continue to guard the border between texas and mexico? Further, the only thing that would be Texas' saving grace is Chuck Norris.

[EmilyAnnCoons 7]

COULD Texas succeed from the USA? Yes. WOULD Texas succeed from the USA? No way. Why? As stated above, the "Country of Texas", or whatever it would become known as, would have to turn around and create its own currency, create its own Bill of Rights, it's own Constitution, it's own Government (sorry, but I'm pretty positive that the current government would not work for a country. It might work for a state, but I don't think a "Governor" can govern a country). Also, being a country now, Texas would be forced to pay and implement import taxes.

 

Also, as people have stated, Mexico would (and probably could succeed) try to take Texas. The fact is, if Texas has ANY army at all (I'm sure it does), they are USA soldiers. Those soldiers would thusly either be pulled out or commanded to start a war. If they were pulled out, Texas would have no army at all, and the task of taking over Mexico would become 10 times easier. People need to keep in mind that all of Texas' stuff right now is the USA's. To succeed, they would need to hand them all back to the USA, leaving them with nothing.

 

The myth of Texas ever succeeding from the Union: Busted (Sorry, had to use a Mythbuster's reference :P)