My 1-800

[Noob Saibot 38]

So today I actually got a lot accomplished toward starting my business.

 

1) Having a logo designed

2) Filed for a DBA (doing business as)

3) And got a 1-800 number (was so excited about this I had my mom call it...LOL).

 

 

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Why I have not been active in a few days..been busy.

[Marked 197]

Very nice Hebi, I'm glad this is getting off the ground. I wish you luck with developing it further.

[miguel1 17]

Congratulations ;)

Sorry for my ignorance but what type is your business about?

[FranklinX 37]

This is great to hear. What type of business is it?

[Noob Saibot 38]

It's a Anti Piracy business. Works quite simple actually other business who create software (or anything that could be pirated) will come to us, sign up and we simple search and remove links, torrents, and the like. Sounds like an odd business, but if you look at how much money people lose (I came across a torrent for Invision Power Board where they had lost over 2 million dollars simple because it was downloaded 2,000+ times). The business is not even started and yet business owners like the idea and the prices I will be charging.

[formlesstree4 18]

I might like your business.....and even do some work for you (let's just say I know places where things would be posted..)

[Polraudio 122]

Nice business. How much will it cost?

[Noob Saibot 38]

These prices I came up with,with the help and advice from business owners:

 

Official Packages

 

Novice Warrior Package--- Our Novice Warrior Package is as it stats and cost a one time fee of $3.00 (minimum) to $8.00 (you choose) good for one month. This fee is for simply "time" as our Assassins search the internet and remove and shutdown links to your products. No matter how many links we remove the price will not go up. You can only buy this package once as it is a low cost way for you to sample our services. The removal of a website is sold separately. NO REFUNDS for this package!

 

Head Hunter Package--- Our head hunter package is a spin off of our Novice Warrior Package, but is for as long as you want the service. Every month we will send you a Bill and our Hit List (see below). Every link removed and or shutdown will only cost a $1.00 per link. Take note if your product is very popular (example Adobe Products) DO NOT CHOOSE this package as there would be so many links you would be losing money and our goal is to save you as much as we can at a low cost! This package is best suited for business that create Website Templates or Skins/Themes for forums. $2.00 per link and we will also remove Torrents (you must ask us to upgrade this package on check out).

 

Bounty Hunter Package--- Our bounty hunter package is the removal and shutdown of your product links. This is a monthly subscription of $6.00 a month.

 

Novice Assassin Package--- Our novice assassin package is the removal or shutdown of download links. We will also inform ThePirateBay.org and LimeWire to remove any links to Torrents to your products. $7.00 a month.

 

Assassin Package--- Same as our Novice Assassin Package, but for every Torrent we can locate on any Torrent Site. $8.00 a month.

 

Greedy Assassin Package--- "see Novice assassin package." $60 a year. You save $12.00 off BHP and $24.00 off NAP.

 

Pirate Assassin Package--- "see assassin package." $70 per year. You save $26.00 off ASP.

 

No Post Package--- This is bought separately from our Links removal. It is hard to shut a warez site down, but much easier for us to contact the owner of a warez site and have them to forbid members posting your products on their site. $10.00 (one time fee OR per warez site). We do not guarantee this as some site owners may not comply; for this reason you only pay for this when it is done.

 

Website Removal--- This DOES NOT remove the download links!! When you choose this you are asking us to TRY and shut down the website, but NOT to remove any LINKS (this is bought separately). We do NOT guarantee that we or any affiliates will be able to shut the site down. If Ripped Assassins is successful at shutting the site down you will be charged $100.00. If we can not and have to pass it to one of our affiliates you will be charged $10.00 ONLY for the hours or days we spent attempting to shut the site down. If our affiliates are successful you will not be charged any further money. If they fail you will receive half of the $10.00 back and ONLY half!.

 

Also our HIT LIST is a compiled list of every link we found, name of the user who posted it, how many times the link was downloaded, a calculation of how much money you lost, a list of the sites we found it on (or torrent site if applicable), action taken, and bill (if applicable).

[Chief 30]

I'm not too excited, as I do use erm... downloads. but good luck!

[FranklinX 37]

This is a great idea. I don't know of many companies who do this type of business. I bet some porn companies will give you a call. ;) Seriously Larry did not ask for a bailout for nothing.

[Noob Saibot 38]

This is a great idea. I don't know of many companies who do this type of business. I bet some porn companies will give you a call. ;) Seriously Larry did not ask for a bailout for nothing.

 

Actually those that do it are organizations or government operated and make little or no money from doing it. From what I have been told this is going to the first of it's kind as we search for the stuff ourselves as opposed to organization or government sites that depend on honest people turning the sites/links in.

[formlesstree4 18]

MediaDefender, IFPI...I think they do what you do (go hunting for links) and the Internet Sheriff as well...but I could be mistaken.

[Noob Saibot 38]

MediaDefender, IFPI...I think they do what you do (go hunting for links) and the Internet Sheriff as well...but I could be mistaken.

 

MediaDefender--- not much info on their site except what they are and do. No information in regards to clients, and how they have done over the years.

 

iSheriff--- deals with security for your servers and products. They don't directly search and remove links or torrents.

[formlesstree4 18]

No information in regards to clients, and how they have done over the years.

There's a reason for that :rolleyes: as not everything they do is....legal <_<

 

But if you ever want some help (which I don't know if you do), I can help out in some ways.

[zane203 8]

I respect and love the idea, and am glad that you're getting out there ^^

 

but i do hate the fact you're taking my only methods of getting materials away xD.

 

well hopefully by the time you get fully started, i would have other methods set up =]

[formlesstree4 18]

I respect and love the idea, and am glad that you're getting out there ^^

 

but i do hate the fact you're taking my only methods of getting materials away xD.

 

well hopefully by the time you get fully started, i would have other methods set up =]

PSST!!! That's something you don't really advertise :unsure:

[Kiriashi 117]

ANTI PIRACY? Pirates are awesome! Why would you set up a business that gets rid of pirates?! I'm a pirate myself and I do all sorts of pirate-y things. Now you are going to get paid to have people take me away? What's wrong with being a pirate anyways? We don't even use the internet... a lot.

[zane203 8]

I am what i am O_o and people will either take me for what or am or leave me ^_^

 

besides the government dosnt really care about me and piracy, they care about me cause they know im going to either destroy the world or help it o_O

 

and Kir xD, you just gave me an idea to do a Pirate Kallin xD. Gonna draw it 2morrow =3

[Noob Saibot 38]

Doesn't matter one business is not going to change the face of piracy; unless we become a really big company, but even then we would only be putting a dent in it, not 100% stopping it. And actually it does hurt many things for example the economy. I found an Adobe Torrent that contained $5,093 worth of Adobe products; and all worked fine as well (have to make sure there legit downloads). The torrent had been downloaded 1,763 times which comes to $8,978,959 lost.

[zane203 8]

yea, but not all money is in america =/ a lot of the funds of torrent are found in countless countries.

 

im not saying i only care about USA, cause i dont... i dont care about any country xD, but economic wise, they should begin fixing the problem starting with themselves...

 

but i dont want to get get a war started and get people off on a tangent =3

 

do your thang hebi.

[Noob Saibot 38]

yea, but not all money is in america =/ a lot of the funds of torrent are found in countless countries.

 

Try telling me something I don't know kiddo.

 

 

Also I have to wait for paper work and what not, so it wont be official started for like a week or two. WHich means I can go back to working on the VGSHub.

[Marked 197]

I have a theory on illegal downloads related to the 'loss' of companies.

 

Hypothetically, if I were to download 100 movies a year from my internet connection, and the profit gained if I were to pay to see it was $10, the movie guys would say they have lost a total of 100x10, which is $1,000.

 

But here's my theory. If the movie is not on the internet, I may not want to go see it at a theater anyway. Where I live I have to drive 30 minutes to get to a movie theater, so it would be petrol and ticket price, rather expensive. So the point is, I may only want to watch the movie if I can ONLY get it free.

 

So you see the calculation of companies assume that everyone who downloads files for free WOULD buy the product/service if it was not available on the internet. This is highly inaccurate, as a lot of people are not willing to pay the market price anyway. If anything it is beneficial for the companies for their products to be downloaded illegally. People use their products who otherwise wouldn't, and therefore it's more popular.

 

In fact 2009 was a revenue record for the movie industry, taking over from the record set in 2008.

 

I hope this gave you something to think about, Hebi.

[Noob Saibot 38]

I have a theory on illegal downloads related to the 'loss' of companies.

 

Hypothetically, if I were to download 100 movies a year from my internet connection, and the profit gained if I were to pay to see it was $10, the movie guys would say they have lost a total of 100x10, which is $1,000.

 

But here's my theory. If the movie is not on the internet, I may not want to go see it at a theater anyway. Where I live I have to drive 30 minutes to get to a movie theater, so it would be petrol and ticket price, rather expensive. So the point is, I may only want to watch the movie if I can ONLY get it free.

 

So you see the calculation of companies assume that everyone who downloads files for free WOULD buy the product/service if it was not available on the internet. This is highly inaccurate, as a lot of people are not willing to pay the market price anyway. If anything it is beneficial for the companies for their products to be downloaded illegally. People use their products who otherwise wouldn't, and therefore it's more popular.

 

In fact 2009 was a revenue record for the movie industry, taking over from the record set in 2008.

 

I hope this gave you something to think about, Hebi.

 

No; your theory is based off the assumption of people who would not have bought it and regardless of some statistic it is still a piece of work people are getting for free. Your claim is based on the opinion of how many of those people who would have not bought it if it could not be found on the internet (which even I could buy a DVD in Asia of a movie that has not come out in the US for less then $5). The flaw in your theory is as it stats "if it could not be gotten from the internet" no one would have downloaded it. The basic point I have is no matter how you look at something always has a flaw in it statistic wise or other. Another fact is companies are willing to pay for such a service regardless of statistics from me or you; true or false. Simply because when it comes down to it it is all based off money and profit. Do you really think the movie industry cares if they did better in 2009 than in 2008? No because they still lost money some how, some way.

[Zeriab 9]

Doesn't matter one business is not going to change the face of piracy; unless we become a really big company, but even then we would only be putting a dent in it, not 100% stopping it. And actually it does hurt many things for example the economy. I found an Adobe Torrent that contained $5,093 worth of Adobe products; and all worked fine as well (have to make sure there legit downloads). The torrent had been downloaded 1,763 times which comes to $8,978,959 lost.

 

Your assumption that each download is a lost sale bloats up the estimated loss.

I can certainly see your reasoning from a business point of view. The higher the loss caused by the piracy the higher possible worth can your company generate for your customers.

I think you have an interesting business idea and I am sure there is a market for it. I just hope you'll be able to become well established before the market saturates.

 

*hugs*

- Zeriab

[Ragnyrok 3]

It's an interesting business. Never even thought of that.

Something, to me, doesn't seem right in fighting for the wallet of a multi-billion dollar company, though.

And, I also agree with what Marked said.

 

A downloaded torrent doesn't automatically equal money lost.

...it equals money not gained.

 

If they were really hurting for money...

Photoshop wouldn't be offered to an entire Office for not much more than 1-1/2 times the normal retail to an everyday consumer.

THAT. is a friggin ripoff.

(Not to mention, the price of software is already freaking absurd)

 

But, I digress...

Good luck in your endeavors!

[Noob Saibot 38]

It's an interesting business. Never even thought of that.

Something, to me, doesn't seem right in fighting for the wallet of a multi-billion dollar company, though.

And, I also agree with what Marked said.

 

A downloaded torrent doesn't automatically equal money lost.

...it equals money not gained.

 

If they were really hurting for money...

Photoshop wouldn't be offered to an entire Office for not much more than 1-1/2 times the normal retail to an everyday consumer.

THAT. is a friggin ripoff.

(Not to mention, the price of software is already freaking absurd)

 

But, I digress...

Good luck in your endeavors!

 

 

You do know Adobe's history right? There prices raised to make up for the lose of money by pirated software (as read and stated in 2000 PC magazine. I understand the argument of it being money not gained rather then lost, but no matter how you sugar coat it some money was lost.

[formlesstree4 18]

I do enjoy this kind of conversation, but this has strayed far off from the original point of the discussion. I'll throw in my 2 cents.

 

You do know that most pirates out there (I say most, not all) usually download the product, use it once, then either:

A) Buy it legally because it's a great product (and the trial sucked, hence getting the cracked/pirated version to test a program out to it's fullest extent.)

 

B) Delete it because they didn't like it.

 

The Music Industry (as Marked pointed out) has had record sales despite these "losses due to Piracy". Ironically, did you hear about several record labels being sued by artists for doing piracy? It was quite a big controversy (and full of irony), because I believe Sony was spotlighted for using music they hadn't licensed for their personal usage, and after removing an artist from their record label refused to return the CD's (which no longer legally belonged to them).

 

Even the Movie Industry is being "destroyed by piracy". The charts say the opposite. They have also had record profits the past year (movies like Avatar, Sherlock Holmes, etc) have had the box office booming into new heights. Funnily enough, some artists (radiohead) are embracing the usage of torrents and piracy to spread their music. The more that people hear their music, the more likely that person becomes a fan, buys a shirt/CD/coffee mug/whatever and adds more profit.

 

I'm not saying Piracy is a good thing because it's not, but I'm also saying that it has helped the Movie/Music Industry reach new profits.

 

Edit: Read this

[Noob Saibot 38]

You do know that most pirates out there (I say most, not all) usually download the product, use it once, then either:

A) Buy it legally because it's a great product (and the trial sucked, hence getting the cracked/pirated version to test a program out to it's fullest extent.)

 

Wow, Billions of people in the world (estimate/guess) say 50% pirate stuff, I doubt your OPINION is a fact. Why? I have friends who have pirated software and have no plans of deleting it or buying it since they got it free!! A survey taken by about.com in 2002 says 45% of people who pirate stuff have no intention of buying it any time soon. When they got it for free! I'm also in the US Military wont to know how many people have pirated music, software,and movies they got from a foreign country? A shit ton and they have no intention of buying it any time soon. So your fact is nothing, but your OPINION.

 

The reality of it all is FREE. Why pay when you can find it on the internet for free.

 

B) Delete it because they didn't like it.

 

"see above"

 

Also I found Adobe 30 days trials quite enough for me to decided I wanted to buy them.

 

The Music Industry (as Marked pointed out) has had record sales despite these "losses due to Piracy". Ironically, did you hear about several record labels being sued by artists for doing piracy? It was quite a big controversy (and full of irony), because I believe Sony was spotlighted for using music they hadn't licensed for their personal usage, and after removing an artist from their record label refused to return the CD's (which no longer legally belonged to them).

 

Even the Movie Industry is being "destroyed by piracy". The charts say the opposite. They have also had record profits the past year (movies like Avatar, Sherlock Holmes, etc) have had the box office booming into new heights. Funnily enough, some artists (radiohead) are embracing the usage of torrents and piracy to spread their music. The more that people hear their music, the more likely that person becomes a fan, buys a shirt/CD/coffee mug/whatever and adds more profit.

 

The companies main focus is software. Battle the movie and music piracy scene would be like watching the "Blair Witch Project." Painful and boring!!!

 

I'm not saying Piracy is a good thing because it's not, but I'm also saying that it has helped the Movie/Music Industry reach new profits.

 

Just see my comment above.

 

Doesn't matter one business is not going to change the face of piracy;

 

I end my argument with this!

[Ragnyrok 3]

You do know Adobe's history right? There prices raised to make up for the lose of money by pirated software (as read and stated in 2000 PC magazine. I understand the argument of it being money not gained rather then lost, but no matter how you sugar coat it some money was lost.

 

Really, if you think about that...

If the amount of people Pirating the software BEFORE the price raise was enough to justify a price raise...

The price was, most likely, too high for consumers, anyway...Right? Otherwise...there wouldn't have been enough people Pirating for Adobe to consider raising the price in the first place.

[formlesstree4 18]

Counter Argument time (I love doing these).

 

Wow, Billions of people in the world (estimate/guess) say 50% pirate stuff, I doubt your OPINION is a fact. Why? I have friends who have pirated software and have no plans of deleting it or buying it since they got it free!! A survey taken by about.com in 2002 says 45% of people who pirate stuff have no intention of buying it any time soon. When they got it for free! I'm also in the US Military wont to know how many people have pirated music, software,and movies they got from a foreign country? A shit ton and they have no intention of buying it any time soon. So your fact is nothing, but your OPINION.

 

I can see you took a guess at the number. You have friends that have pirated software, so do I. The reason I said most is because there are those out there that do end up buying the stuff they pirated. Your survey is out of date. 8 years have passed, and you of all people should realize that the Internet and people change in that time.

 

If you want to start involving the Military then I can't really say much there. I have no way of even seeing what goes on inside our military nor do I want to. They got their stuff from foreign land, most likely from a physical dealer. We can't do anything about that. This discussion was about Internet based retrieval. Some military personal in foreign countries may not have access to the Internet, and therefore get it through dealers and spread it around. Dealers may or may not get their stuff from the Internet.

 

Also I found Adobe 30 days trials quite enough for me to decided I wanted to buy them.

I'll throw a word back that you used at me. That's your opinion. Some people might not think so, I don't know. I'm not in their heads when they decide to do what they do.

 

The companies main focus is software. Battle the movie and music piracy scene would be like watching the "Blair Witch Project." Painful and boring!!!

Glad to know, you're already fighting a losing battle with software alone..attempting to get into the movie and music piracy business is just shooting yourself in the foot.

 

Doesn't matter one business is not going to change the face of piracy;

 

Think about this: If prices weren't high for some software (say Adobe and Autodesk to name a few, and they are pretty steep), do you think less piracy would occur on them? After all, there are freeware alternatives of each (Paint .NET, GIMP (yuck), Blender) but they lack certain commercial features. Your service would actually provoke piracy to retreat further underground so to speak. Companies way larger than yours have tackled piracy at it's core and won (The Pirate Bay, if anyone knows or cares was considered the Achilles Heel of Torrents and it was taken down) yet it continues today because it has learned to live and evolve without it.

 

I just want to make sure you are very much aware of the task at hand (and it looks like you are), so good luck. Just taking out links on sites won't be good enough. Eventually there won't be sites with links, just search engines browsing through (literally) "clouds of data".