Final Fantasy XIII

[Arkbennett 16]

So I grabbed FF13, and I've been playing it for awhile. I can honestly say, that so far I am pretty disappointed. I've been following FF since I was about 7 or 8, starting with FF7. As I grew I continued to buy the series and bought the PS1 versions of the games and event Dl'd the originals on ROMz. (Including a translated version of 3)

 

The first major element I was disappointed with is the Crysterium. It reminds me of an cross incarnation of the License Board and Sphere Grid. It's a nice system, but unoriginal. The game also lacks any open-ended game play, it is almost level based. In which I feel creates both a tedious and boring game. The music is amazing let me say foremost, but that said, it lacks variation. The lack of currency drops puts a lot of pressure on you financially, because of this it affects other systems that would be cool like the Item Lvl system. Perhaps it will be remedied later in-game.

 

Those are some of the negatives, however the game is beautiful graphically and has kind of a unique storyline. I advise buying it, but not expecting an RPG to FF standards.

 

What are your opinions on it?

[CrimsonInferno 35]

I don't like this game, it is...it is lame. I expected more from SE. This is the first horrible FF title to be release. No NPCs or towns?

 

What kind of game is that! o.O

[FranklinX 37]

The first horrible FF game. FF 7 through 11 are awful. Final Fantasy 8 is a hot mess with a joke of a difficulty and a story that is just far beyond bad. 1 through 6 and 12 are the only games I enjoy in this series.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

Well, I'd agree with your, but I did happen to like 7, 8 and 9. I just didn't consider them as "Final Fantasy". They didn't have any of the original awesomeness....

 

1-6 and 12 were just better because they were real FF titles, but fans of 7,8, 9 hate it because it doesn't involve the same love triangle-mama's boy as 7,8 and 9....

[Arkbennett 16]

Idk whats wrong with your head if you hated 10.

11 and 14 are stupid. If they wanted to make an online game call it Final Fantasy Online, don't give it a numeric. Who makes these decisions anyways?

[Arkbennett 16]

You know, on a different perspective. I've noticed that FFXIII has taken a lot of elements from WoW, specifically the battle system. Each character plays a different role, Tank, DPS, Healer, and common enemies alone have 100,000-300,0000 Hp. Interesting fact.

[Dark Den 4]

I gave up on Final Fantasy games. They used to be good but now they suck.

[FranklinX 37]

You know, on a different perspective. I've noticed that FFXIII has taken a lot of elements from WoW, specifically the battle system. Each character plays a different role, Tank, DPS, Healer, and common enemies alone have 100,000-300,0000 Hp. Interesting fact.

 

Common enemies have that much HP? That's ridiculous. They should never have numbers that huge.

[Arkbennett 16]

Yeah, at the part I am, they are actually 700,000.

It's all because of this stagger system they implemented. They designed the battle system around this Chain Gauge. You build up the gauge by attack, magics builds it up more than physical attacks, but physical attacks react more favorable towards the muliplier. The chain is displayed as a percentage and every attack is multiplied by that percentage, then when it reaches a set percentage they go into "Stagger" mode which juices your damage majorly, plus the enemy can't fight back.

 

For example:

Base - 100.00%/140.00%

Attack - 100.90%/140.00%

Fire - 106.90%/140.00%

Blizzard - 113.90%/140.00%

Aeroga - 134.90%/140.00%

Fire - 375.00%/140.00% STAGGER!

Aero - 391.90%

...And so on

 

Once you are in Stagger every hit you do boosts the chain gauge more then when they were off stagger, the cap for the multiplier is 999.99%, so eventually you are doing 10X the amount of your base attack.

 

It's a cool system, but because of it, stats (STR, MAG) are rendered more or less useless which is probably why you only have the three stats Hp, Attack, and Magic.

[Gwark 0]

I have 13 here as well, and actually the only people that I know who really like it are the graphics whores, they just spout off how beautiful it all looks and stuff.

I agree with the music statement; It is very well produced but lacking in variation. I loved FF7, not for its story or characters but for the world. That whole semi-steampunk thing worked really well in my opinion, and the soundtrack was awesome. And I can't hate on FF8 because it was the first Final Fantasy game I actually completed (followed by 7, some of the oldschool ones and then 9 and 10.

 

I'm not too keen on 13 though. I just doesn't have that final fantasy hook. And what is the deal with the 10 hour tutorial/introduction!? When I'm 10 hours into a game I want to have had all the character introductions and the whole: Here's a new part of the game system that we're going to teach you now' thing.

I haven't actually completed it yet. I played it a shitload over the first week but it never grabbed me so I just sort of left it. I still wan't to finish it though as I did pay money for it but every time I start it up I get fed up after half an hour or less.

 

side note: Final Fantasy XI Online was nice .IF. you had an awesome group of friends to party up with (I played it with real life friends which made it more fun).

[Knuckles 1]

Yeah, FFXIII pretty much sucks. The upcoming FFvXIII is supposed to bring back some of the classic elements. However I wouldn't be surprised if the game will flop given all the other worthless garbage Square-Enix has been publishing in recent years. As a result, the company has a spot on my shit list.

[Noob Saibot 38]

Yeah, FFXIII pretty much sucks. The upcoming FFvXIII is supposed to bring back some of the classic elements. However I wouldn't be surprised if the game will flop given all the other worthless garbage Square-Enix has been publishing in recent years. As a result, the company has a spot on my shit list.

 

Theirs a multitude of people RPG fans and FF fans who like it, so I will make my own decision once I play it.

[ProjectTrinity 8]

1-6 and 12 were just better because they were real FF titles, but fans of 7,8, 9 hate it because it doesn't involve the same love triangle-mama's boy as 7,8 and 9....

That's a poor way to validate your opinion. Because the moment someone states that love triangles, emotional boys, and angst WASN'T the reason they enjoyed 9 over XII makes this claim seem pretty...umm....well~

 

 

On topic:

 

I like FF 8, 9, 10, and respect 12. I own, have beaten, and mastered all the default classes of FFXIII. Do you guys know why? Because when I have to hate on a game, I'd LOVE to know what I'm talking about, and there's plenty reason to dislike the decisions XIII has made.

 

-For one, 5 out of 5 stars for beating a common battle within 10 minutes? Really? Is training for one battle that doesn't even give you a lot of experience points really supposed to take that long?

 

-Why is there an auto-battle option? I never used it. It insults my skills as a gamer in general. (In before the "Turn it off then!" posts)

 

-I can dig linearity. Really. But making me go through the longest [/s]hallways[/s] straight lines and call them "areas" are not cool! I mean you literally (pretty much) go straight, and have to fight nearly every enemy that blocks your path. And to make matters worse, you'll be doing this back to back to bloody back sometimes!

 

-Plot: The plot. The plot. I don't want to discuss the plot. I don't like Hope, even if he did man up, his first 30 hours cement his hate-group. And I like Vanille. But the plot itself? It's cute to defend it if someone is bashing it, but in the end, the plot is nothing special whatsoever. It just has a bigger audience.

 

-Music: I have no complaints. Oh Fighting Fate. You are amazing~ <3 *Coughs* Right! Complaints!

 

-PR stunts. Whole new story/thread. I'll just say that I do not approve of how much they shot themselves in the foot with XIII and how they blatantly watered down the game for the 360 version while lying about it. Initially.

 

 

Anyways, the game's battle system is exciting when boss fights are up there and the music is simply wonderful, regardless of what others want to say. And finally, yes, the graphics are pretty solid. Anyways, my .2 cents. If i had to grade it, the game would get an 8.5 from me. Policy of mine is that if the game doesn't technically suck, then you're just being a bit mean to all the developers, artists, programmers, ect that worked so hard. And by all means, there are FAR worse games than XIII.

[Knuckles 1]

Your policy is respected, but I honestly disagree.

 

When a game sucks, it is subjective to opinion. Expressing a very low opinion against a game is brutal honesty and not crossing any major lines. The fact that all the time and effort invested in the game by the company should not in the slightest revise my conclusion.

[Noob Saibot 38]

Here's a thought insead of complaining why dont you make a 3D FF game yoursleves. Probably would suck even worse. Square Enix has been doing this for many years and know what they are doing even if they make mistakes now and then.

[Kiriashi 117]

Your policy is respected, but I honestly disagree.

 

When a game sucks, it is subjective to opinion. Expressing a very low opinion against a game is brutal honesty and not crossing any major lines. The fact that all the time and effort invested in the game by the company should not in the slightest revise my conclusion.

 

 

This. Just saying.

[Noob Saibot 38]

I still say make your own and then lets see who comaplins about yours? And in the end peoples opinions are just opinion. :shifty: (even mine) :biggrin_002:

[Knuckles 1]

Exactly. Average gamers with no background in 3D game development that conveyed a negative verdict on a consumer video game, on a web forum, should brew their own variation.

 

What a stupid argument.

[Noob Saibot 38]

Exactly. Average gamers with no background in 3D game development that conveyed a negative verdict on a consumer video game, on a web forum, should brew their own variation.

 

What a stupid argument.

 

Not stupid at all. If you can talk the talk, walk the walk.

 

In fact it is VERY valid, because if your going to COMPLAIN about something you can nut up or shut up...simple as that; at least in my opinion.

[ProjectTrinity 8]

Your policy is respected, but I honestly disagree.

 

When a game sucks, it is subjective to opinion. Expressing a very low opinion against a game is brutal honesty and not crossing any major lines. The fact that all the time and effort invested in the game by the company should not in the slightest revise my conclusion.

"When a game sucks, it is subjective to opinion."

 

Persona 4, Persona 3, Shadows of the Colossus, Halo, Gears of War, Killzone, Final Fantasy 1-13, Mass Effect, GTA(x), Assassin's Creed, Blazblue, all RMXP related anything. They all suck.

 

^ So if I said (and meant) that all of these games suck, they must suck by default and anything I say is justified? Especially if I bring up a game which would be a watered down version of any of these games and call it better? (And lets face it, so many of PS2 JRPGs are inferior to some of these games in so many ways it's creepy)

 

I can completely understand if say, you don't have a lot of JRPG experience to compare XIII to. If you only had cake and ice cream all your life and you just so happen to hate cake ( D= ), then of course it sucks. You'd have absolutely no clue how terrible some other snacks are. (Or can be) Not saying you do, but I'm saying I'd understand it better.

 

Otherwise, if you're used to JRPGs in general, then it's pretty darn obvious that XIII is at least on the higher end of things, regardless if you like it or not. Top of the line graphics for the genre, top of the line music, top of the line presentation, decent/good voice acting/ and a subjective battle system will not make a game suck. That becomes strictly your opinion. This is coming from someone who bashed FFXIII's story and grinding to the ground. I will never truly enjoy Halo, but if I give it fair props, it's by no means a game that "sucks" by default. Simply put, Halo does things well. I may not have the mental capacity to appreciate it for given reasons, but to say it sucks because it doesn't fancy my tastes is a disservice to the good it gives.

 

And before someone says something witty, no, this does not mean I appreciate all games in existence. A 40 hour game called Shining Force Neo, where you basically smash press square for the ENTIRE game while listening to pictures talk to each other with terrible voice acting and where the music CUTS OFF mid battle for no reason whatsoever when there is music? That, is the type of game I have come to hate and will say with no subjective tone, that it sucks. It's garbage technically, in presentation, especially in gameplay, and in plot. I don't even think there are a lot of JRPGs that CAN be compared to Shining Force Neo. [/End hate rant] My point is, games that actually do suck and games that you don't like/prefer are two different things.

 

/Opinion

[Noob Saibot 38]

"When a game sucks, it is subjective to opinion."

 

Persona 4, Persona 3, Shadows of the Colossus, Halo, Gears of War, Killzone, Final Fantasy 1-13, Mass Effect, GTA(x), Assassin's Creed, Blazblue, all RMXP related anything. They all suck.

 

^ So if I said (and meant) that all of these games suck, they must suck by default and anything I say is justified? Especially if I bring up a game which would be a watered down version of any of these games and call it better? (And lets face it, so many of PS2 JRPGs are inferior to some of these games in so many ways it's creepy)

 

I can completely understand if say, you don't have a lot of JRPG experience to compare XIII to. If you only had cake and ice cream all your life and you just so happen to hate cake ( D= ), then of course it sucks. You'd have absolutely no clue how terrible some other snacks are. (Or can be) Not saying you do, but I'm saying I'd understand it better.

 

Otherwise, if you're used to JRPGs in general, then it's pretty darn obvious that XIII is at least on the higher end of things, regardless if you like it or not. Top of the line graphics for the genre, top of the line music, top of the line presentation, decent/good voice acting/ and a subjective battle system will not make a game suck. That becomes strictly your opinion. This is coming from someone who bashed FFXIII's story and grinding to the ground. I will never truly enjoy Halo, but if I give it fair props, it's by no means a game that "sucks" by default. Simply put, Halo does things well. I may not have the mental capacity to appreciate it for given reasons, but to say it sucks because it doesn't fancy my tastes is a disservice to the good it gives.

 

And before someone says something witty, no, this does not mean I appreciate all games in existence. A 40 hour game called Shining Force Neo, where you basically smash press square for the ENTIRE game while listening to pictures talk to each other with terrible voice acting and where the music CUTS OFF mid battle for no reason whatsoever when there is music? That, is the type of game I have come to hate and will say with no subjective tone, that it sucks. It's garbage technically, in presentation, especially in gameplay, and in plot. I don't even think there are a lot of JRPGs that CAN be compared to Shining Force Neo. [/End hate rant] My point is, games that actually do suck and games that you don't like/prefer are two different things.

 

/Opinion

 

 

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This is very true. When I speak of games I say "I don't like them...."insert reason why." Like for me I don't like first person shooters because I suck at playing them. But to bad mouth any first person shooter game would not be just in my case simply because I suck at them. FF has moved upward over the years. In fact I have never played a FF game below 8 (except for my NDS FF3). People have told me FF7 was the best, but I have never played it (mostly cause now it can only be found on e-bay at outrageous prices.

[Shalaren Metropolis 0]

I gave up on Final Fantasy games. They used to be good but now they suck.

I agree with you S:, I used to love them, but now when I play the final Fantasy games, they are so lame D:!

[ProjectTrinity 8]

I agree with you S:, I used to love them, but now when I play the final Fantasy games, they are so lame D:!

In one ear out the other I see. xD

 

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This is very true. When I speak of games I say "I don't like them...."insert reason why." Like for me I don't like first person shooters because I suck at playing them. But to bad mouth any first person shooter game would not be just in my case simply because I suck at them. FF has moved upward over the years. In fact I have never played a FF game below 8 (except for my NDS FF3). People have told me FF7 was the best, but I have never played it (mostly cause now it can only be found on e-bay at outrageous prices.

Thank you! And I agree. There has been SEVERAL setbacks with FF, but overall, the games are trying to push themselves up. I personally don't think FFXIII was too much in the right direction, but there are way more games and franchises that better deserve to be called "bad" or "lame".

[Noob Saibot 38]

In one ear out the other I see. xD

 

 

Thank you! And I agree. There has been SEVERAL setbacks with FF, but overall, the games are trying to push themselves up. I personally don't think FFXIII was too much in the right direction, but there are way more games and franchises that better deserve to be called "bad" or "lame".

 

Plus if you look at FF history, they change the games on purpose, it is what makes a FF game a FF game. And to be honest I have never played a FF game that had a bad story. Not to mention people now-a-days expect a good game with graphics and gameplay so most companies have to keep up with this demand. And Squire Enix has stayed true to it's roots, because if they diden't then their RPGs would lack an engaging story.