Health Insurance

[FranklinX 37]

The Health Care Reform has passed in The House. It will most likely pass in The Senate. We need reform in our health care for our nation. It just diffucult because who will pay for it? How will this be regulated? What is covered?

 

Are you for health care? If so do you agree with the bill or would you like some different policies?

[Polraudio 122]

What happened to freedom? I dont want to pay for something i dont need. Im healthy as ever and i think i always will be.

Why pay to live? Seriously if i have to pay for something i dont need or care about why should i have to? We should be able to chose what we want and don't want as an individual. Like the stupid car insurance.

[FranklinX 37]

What if you get sick all of a sudden? Youth does not mean you will always be 100% healthy. My friend goes to college had to get surgery for his illness.

[Polraudio 122]

then you pay extra to feel better. im just saying why pay for something you dont want?

Its like me making you pay for my college when you dont want to.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

Forcing someone to buy something is wrong. What about the poor people who barely survive the week? They sell their belongings and do whatever they can and they the IRS shows up and forced them to pay for Healthy Insurance. But how do those poor people pay?

 

I hate this new plan, it is wrong on a lot of levels and I am seriously disappointed in Obama. He has turned out to be a mistake :(

 

I also heard that women will be charged extra...for being women. Does anyone know if that is true? Because if it is, I will seriously freak out on our President! :C

[Polraudio 122]

thats the thing i dont like about bills sometimes. it only goes through the house and senate and i think it should be what everyone wants, kind of like how we vote for president.

[Marked 197]

What happened to freedom? I dont want to pay for something i dont need. Im healthy as ever and i think i always will be.

Why pay to live? Seriously if i have to pay for something i dont need or care about why should i have to? We should be able to chose what we want and don't want as an individual. Like the stupid car insurance.

I thought health insurance in america means you don't have to pay ridiculous amounts to get treated at the doctor.

 

I watched the documentary Sicko by Michael Moore. From what I learned from that documentary (and i start the sentence with that because it is not necessary true) the american health care industry takes advantage of people and is really shocking(especially when you compare it to another counties).

 

So yeah, I'm all for it. I think that a country should give its citizens free health care.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

It's not free. They are forcing us to have it and pay for it. We will be thrown in jail/prison if we don't pay it....

 

It is ludicrous! Especially the part about women, if it is true. How do they expect anyone one to get a job? Our country is failing in the job status as it is, what is Obama thinking? Not to mention, and I don't mean to sound racist, we have illegal immigrants taking jobs here. I don't know about the rest of the country, but there aren't any jobs here in Kentucky. Believe me, everyone has tried. You are lucky if you find a job cleaning up after animals or cleaning the street. :C

 

Which is why I have decided to move to either Canada, New Zealand, Greece or Italy. :)

(Although Italy recently faced a...well, I don't think I should say it. It's pretty sad T.T)

*I love Italy*

[Leon 55]

the way the health care bill is written, those who do not get healthcare within a certain time limit must pay a fine. then after another time limit, they pay a much steeper fine. Essentially, the government is stepping in saying 'take our insurance, or purchase from someone else'.

 

As for paying for it, the taxpayers will. something like 22% of your income will be taxed for this bill. Enjoy.

[Marked 197]

Which is why I have decided to move to either Canada, New Zealand, Greece or Italy. :)

(Although Italy recently faced a...well, I don't think I should say it. It's pretty sad T.T)

*I love Italy*

New Zealand, come to New Zealand :)

 

As for paying for it, the taxpayers will. something like 22% of your income will be taxed for this bill. Enjoy.

Surely you mean 22% is your total income tax, not 22% + income tax. Also, a lot of countries have free health care that of course is payed for by the government/tax, so...surely the US government can too. Is there anywhere people can view the bill?

[Leon 55]

The bill is longer than a harry potter novel. As for paying for it, with the U.S. unemployment rate at 9.6%, and the deficit is like... 1.7 trillion or something like that, even a 22% income tax won't be enough.

 

Further, most families are making ends meat as it is... increasing taxes is going to lower the quality of living, and increase the cost of living.

[FranklinX 37]

About 40% of the nation is not covered. What if a major disease starts to spread with these people? They can't go to a doctor to get help. A pandemic can happen.

[Polraudio 122]

My mom(1 parent single) has hard enough time living. she has 4 kids to provide for and only makes like $500 a month and has to chose what bills to pay each month. If they do this im going to be so pissed because its hard enough to live for us poor folk. I help her when i can but i got things i need to pay for and even when i do its still not enough. Going through college and coming from a poor family might have been a bad choice. Hope she can survive till i get a good enough job to help her out more.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

My family survives on Food stamps because my father was injured on his job and now he can't work. We can't make money and now, we poor people will be forced to have health care and will be forced to pay for it when 80% of the people here in Kentucky (where I currently live) do not have jobs and goes onto stealing.

 

How does Obama (I will not call him my president) expect us to pay for something we can't when he hasn't fixed the damn job problem? What about the new people just getting into taxes (like my old enough sister who can now be taxed. ). How are they going to get money to pay for this?

 

I wish I never had my parents vote for Obama.

 

New Zealand, come to New Zealand :)

I might since Italy's economy has failed recently. Besides, New Zealand is pretty, from what I saw. :D

 

EDIT:

Also, the site that I read the bill from has been taken down by the government for a while, so this might help others from a different country to understand the bill...I think.

http://www.healthreform.gov/

[Leon 55]

You think that's bad, Crimson? Experts predict some 700,000 jobs will be lost due to this bill (though they never specified how) And he is going on to immigration reform, which will, without doubt, increase the unemployment rate higher and lower wages.

[FranklinX 37]

My family survives on Food stamps because my father was injured on his job and now he can't work. We can't make money and now, we poor people will be forced to have health care and will be forced to pay for it when 80% of the people here in Kentucky (where I currently live) do not have jobs and goes onto stealing.

 

How does Obama (I will not call him my president) expect us to pay for something we can't when he hasn't fixed the damn job problem? What about the new people just getting into taxes (like my old enough sister who can now be taxed. ). How are they going to get money to pay for this?

 

I wish I never had my parents vote for Obama.

 

 

I might since Italy's economy has failed recently. Besides, New Zealand is pretty, from what I saw. :D

 

EDIT:

Also, the site that I read the bill from has been taken down by the government for a while, so this might help others from a different country to understand the bill...I think.

http://www.healthreform.gov/

 

80% of the people in Kentucky are unemployed? Please give me a source for this. I think something like this would be on the national news.

[Broken Messiah 20]

i dont think that i should post on this(because im like 15, and a little ignorant of the world) but i know of people that will get serious near death injured but won't call 911 because they know they couldn't ever afford the visit to the hospital. of course, as far as to my knowlege, the hospitals will not turn someone down in the emergency room and some people are exploiting this.

[FranklinX 37]

i dont think that i should post on this(because im like 15, and a little ignorant of the world) but i know of people that will get serious near death injured but won't call 911 because they know they couldn't ever afford the visit to the hospital. of course, as far as to my knowlege, the hospitals will not turn someone down in the emergency room and some people are exploiting this.

 

This is a huge problem. The people will go the emergency room, and cannot afford the payments. Hospitals need someone to pay for the costs of poor people who go to the emergency room. These charges will be dropped on paying patients. Why should paying patients pay for another person's bill?

[CrimsonInferno 35]

80% of the people in Kentucky are unemployed? Please give me a source for this. I think something like this would be on the national news.

 

....it was an exaggeration of how bad it is here. :mellow:

[FranklinX 37]

OK. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

Its fine, no biggie lol

 

I just hate this new plan. It stomped on American citizens and women.

[formlesstree4 18]

From what I've understood, the Government is forcing something onto it's citizens. I was pretty sure the Government couldn't enforce such a law like this. Technically speaking, the bill doesn't go into effect until 2014, which means even if it gets passed, it has to survive until 2014 to even kick in (which means a new president will be elected and could actually strike it down).

 

I may be a Republican, but we do need Health Care, but we don't need "Obama Care". [Haha, Firefox doesn't recognize Obama as a valid name]. In the case of the hospital like Franklin said, why should everyone else be forced to pay for something they don't want to be involved with? We're already paying taxes to do this, why force another fee on us? It's rather insane, and I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to sit down at read a document that's 1,990 pages long (rough estimate, it's close to the actual page count, or so I've heard). I don't think most of the House or Senate has even read the entire bill either, it went through to fast and we're going to rush this and regret something in the future. My hope is that we elect a new president (I'm moving to New Zealand w/ Crimson if we're stupid enough to re-elect this "person" again) and/or the Supreme Court comes out and strikes the bill down, which would restart the whole process.

 

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[FranklinX 37]

A new president will not solve the problem. We have issues in the Senate and the House. No one is doing anything productive.

[Leon 55]

@formless: Unless the Republican's Hail Mary pass makes it, the bill is as good as passed. Also, some parts start immediately (the taxes, the care for children, and college students on parent's healthcare til age 26, etc), but others (easier medicaid for adults, adults cannot be turned away for preexisting conditions, etc) don't kick in until 2014.

 

@Crimson: I do find this as a kick in the head to every citizen who wants freedom. The problem is those who don't care are sitting on their hands. Just remember: 'The only way for evil to triumph is for good men [or women] to do nothing.'

 

@franklin: A new president cannot change it, but a new legislation can. If the republicans campaign well, and the healthcare is proven more harm than good, then there is a good chance that this year will end with the House and Senate as Republican, and in 2012, if the presidency goes to a Republican, then the bill can be pulled before 2014. Some damage will be dealt (assuming the bill is bad), but not as much as if it does hit in 2014. That is assuming the bill does cause more harm than good, mind you.

 

 

Now, me, personally, i LOVE some of the parts of this bill, but there are some major turn-off points for me:

 

Unconstitutional, requiring people to buy something they don't want. (OMG we woke up in Russia this morning [That '70s Show. xD])

 

Bad Timing, as in with the unemployment rate at 9.(something)%, it is a good idea to cover them, but with the deficit where it is at... that is NOT good for the economy.

[FranklinX 37]

We are too much in a hole for this. The government can't make us pay for something.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

We are too much in a hole for this. The government can't make us pay for something.

Yes they can. The IRS will come to your door, as what I heard from the speech and questions, and arrest you if you don't.

 

@Crimson: I do find this as a kick in the head to every citizen who wants freedom. The problem is those who don't care are sitting on their hands. Just remember: 'The only way for evil to triumph is for good men [or women] to do nothing.'

 

I guess I'll leave it up to the states and men (the caring ones of course), the ones suing the Government. Because obviously, we women don't have a say about it. I mean, were they even thinking about us when they decided to charge us more than the other gender? Oh, and guess what. Viagra will be given to men like it is medication (-- seriously, what the hell?!), but women will have to pay extra for their medicine and abortions. May God please the souls of the young women who are raped (like the poor 9 year old girl who was forced to carry and deliver a baby) and become pregnant or the women who are poor and is left behind pregnant with no job, money or anything. Because now abortions will be like 800 dollars instead of 200!

 

Yes Obama, while you are at it, you might as well charge people differently by their RACE!

(this is the face I make when I think of Obama, his plan, reform and the country)

 

(lol @ Evil Dead)

[FranklinX 37]

Abortions should not be free unless the woman was raped. Most of these women choose to have sex. They should have used condoms and birth control. They need to pay for their own decisions.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

Well yes, but increasing it too that? And if you think about it, a lot (a lot) of women are left after the men knock them up and they can't afford to get an abortion and then they have a child and have no way to provide for him/her.

 

But yea, if you think of it from a "I shouldn't have to pay for getting a woman pregnant by providing the sperm, but can still get Viagra as medication" point of view, then ya, I guess it is the women's fault and its our fualt for being stomped on for the millionth time in the world. I guess this was bond to happen since we got our (some) rights after everyone else did. :unsure:

 

Also, condoms can break and Birth control have the chances of failing you. I just don't see how helping to provide "Viagra" to men is fair since it is related to sex and abortions are related to sex and I think deciding to keep a life is more important than a man's ego and pride. :nono4:

[FranklinX 37]

Most of the women who get pregnant do not use condoms nor birth control. It is rare for someone to get pregnant by using condoms and birth control. They need to accept the fact they decided to have sex. Now the man should pay half of the abortion bill to be fair because he also took part of the sexual activity.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

Um, yay, I don't really mind how it happens right now, but hookers get pregnant too and they have no choice to have sex, unprotected or protected, because they have no way of earning money. And now, those same women, the poor kind of course, will have an even harder time paying for stuff in a country that is already sexist in some ways that are important.

 

But yea, the men should have to split the bill, but come on, what are the statistics of men sticking around when a abortion is needed?

 

This Reform bill is crap.

 

Pardon my french please.