Was 9/11 really a terrorist attack?

[Jesse66126 4]

I had wanted to make this post on 9/11's anniversary,but I got sidetracked by the DMV crap.

Before you answer,watch the videos by NuffRespect. The videos include news reports,scientific studies,and just obvious things no one would notice on the first glance. Now,I've never been much of a conspiracy fan,but it's pretty convincing.

 

 

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rQ8_Qy0zp8&feature=related

Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JmXQ-z8S4&feature=related

Part 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g&feature=related

Part 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9BofDUXv0&feature=related

Part 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIx2CVRxRXg&feature=related

Part 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHJHAp49Lh8&feature=related

Part 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x4TD0WP3pM&feature=related

Part 11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWqNJI8Mjo&feature=related

Edited September 17, 2010 by Jesse66126

[CrimsonInferno 35]

Yes and no.

 

I think it was a terrorist attack, but to be honest, I think the Gov and Bush were in on it at the time. Bush knew about the tower falling before it even fell.

[Tomo2000 60]

Lol, during 9/11, Ian Thorpe (Aussie Swimmer at the olympcs) was at the towers and went back to his apartment and forgot his camera, he was gonna turn around but decided to stop at his apartment first (cant remember the reason) and while he was at his apartment the towers got hit. Luckiest. Guy. EVER. lol.

[Marked 197]

I believe the US government organized the destruction of the twin towers so that the US people would want the war in Iraq. It's pretty obvious that flying a plane into a building like that wouldn't collapse it, they needed to plant explosives so the floors would all collapse on top of each other.

 

The US government is the most popular going around.

[Jesse66126 4]

It was almost like a magic trick.

Bush: "Watch the plane! See the plane? Boom!"

People gasp.

Bush: "Wait for it!"

The building implodes and collapses.

People gasp again.

Bush: "Taa Daa!" and takes a bow.

The people are in shock.

Bush: "It was Iraq and Afghanistan that did it! Let's invade them!"

 

Sylverstein(unsurprised): "Oh no. Terrorists have destroyed my buildings..Where's my money!?"

Edited September 16, 2010 by Jesse66126

[joman195 9]

Did you know that Seth McFarlane(creator of Family Guy) was supposed to be on a 9/11 plane but overslept and missed his flight.

[Leon 55]

I can add to this conspiracy. Watch the first episode of the Lone Gunmen. It is about a chip that can fly a plane by somebody on the ground, effectively hijacking a plane w/o being ON the plane. Funny thing is, if I remember right, they were testing it on a REAL plane, attempting to crash it into the WTC in the episode... It aired March 4th, 2001...

[CrimsonInferno 35]

I believe the US government organized the destruction of the twin towers so that the US people would want the war in Iraq. It's pretty obvious that flying a plane into a building like that wouldn't collapse it, they needed to plant explosives so the floors would all collapse on top of each other.

 

The US government is the most popular going around.

Exactly, Marked.

 

Those buildings were designed to withhold the heat and melting of that sort of fire. There had to be bombs on that plan, or bombs in Towers.

 

What's scary and funny is, 9 of the hi-jackers said to be dead, are actually alive in Pakistan and other Islamic Countries. So the US Government lied to everyone and possibly picked innocent people to blame, or picked already terrorists.

 

So how can these people be alive if they crashed their plan into the buildings?

 

Clear set up for the Towers. Bush not only knew before hand that the plans were hi-jakced, he knew the first tower fell way before it fell. He also made the mistake of pointing to himself when he spoke of the baddies.

 

I was a babe and knew it was a set up :o

 

@Tomo:

Wow! That guy is lucky!

 

My grandfather was supposed to be on the first plan, but for some reason he never got on :o

[madanchi 18]

ugh theres been a million conspiracies and ideas on what 'actually' whent on with 9/11, ive heard so many ever sicne it happaned

[Chief 30]

... Was not a conspiracy. stupidest thing Ive ever heard.

 

edit:

I'd like to add that there's more proof for Hitler having survived WWII than there is for a 911 conspiracy.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Chief

[Marked 197]

Here's an interesting paragraph:

Fear mongering is often used in wartime, as a political tactic to frighten citizens and influence their political views. Fear mongering in the United States surfaced during the era of McCarthyism. Since then, politicians and pundits alike have realized and utilized the powerful influential impact that fear can have on voters.[citation needed] Some allege that fear of violent acts of terrorism since the September 11th 2001 attacks were exploited by politicians to maintain their control of the U.S. House of Representatives, Senate, and Executive branches of the government.

Note that it doesn't state who is responsible for 911. But this does demonstrate an incentive.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_mongering

[Gwark 0]

Go watch Loose Change if you haven't seen it yet (I think it's still available for free on Google Video or some such site). People focus too much on the Twin Towers when looking at the 9/11 happenings (which by all accounts looked very much like a controlled demolition). But what I liked about Loose Change was the whole bit about the Pentagon plane (seriously go watch that and then get back to me), the wreckage is inconsistent with every other plane crash in history!

 

Apart from all that I believe that there were Islamic fundamentalists who hijacked the planes, and it is certainly very possible that they thought they were in a (what we call) terrorist attack. However it is also true that the people who orchestrated this attack were put in power and funded (both directly and indirectly) by (amongst others) the US government.

 

It is also true that this is not the first attack (terrorist or otherwise) that the American government had prior knowledge of that something was going to happen (going even further, Cheney apparently said in the times leading up to 9/11 "What America needs is another Pearl Harbour"), Pearl Harbour was also an attack that they knew was possibly going to happen (rather convenient that most of the US navy was ordered to dock at PH leading up to the attack).

 

I would like to take a bit more time to actually provide you with more info and links to what I just said but I really have to run and get to work before I'm late, So I trust you all to google me. I will check back on this topic later today (probably after midnight for me) when I get back from work and will try to hunt down more info (used to be a conspiracy nut (illuminati, bilderberg, etc). Now i'm just in it for the humour. The Obama Deception cracks me up every time)

 

Later guys, ps. glad to see the forum is back up!

[Marked 197]

I recommend the documentary Zeitgeist. It discusses 911 and pretty much the whole picture, controlling the people so they government can do what it wants.

 

 

I'm not sure pearl harbor was the same as 911 in the sense that both were controlled outside the US but the US let it happen so the people would want war. I dunno, hijacking planes seems like a more complicated task in which a lot could go wrong and therefore require the US to have organized the whole thing. Wouldn't it be pretty difficult to get explosives in the towers if it wasn't your own guys? Furthermore, why do you need a plane when you have explosives that are going to collapse it anyway.

 

 

EDIT: Jesse66126, this definitely should not be a public poll. To make it private I would have to delete the votes, so I'll wait for your permission before I do.

[Blackbound 4]

hmm...

 

Heres what I see:

 

Two planes hit the towers....

 

and the two towers fall as though it was a demolition project!

If the planes caused the attack, wouldnt the towers FALL OVER? not STRAIGHT DOWN?

The pentagon explodes.....

 

but wheres the plane that hit it?

It looks more like a stunted C4 bomb to me.

Take a look at the stock market, you see another clue:

 

There were a bunch of bets made the previous day that the corresponding airways were going to plummit, and there were HUGE bets.

THEN 9/11 HAPPEND AND ABOUT 9 trillion dollars vanished from the stock market!

in the same day mentioned above.....

 

3.6 trillion dollars vanished from the US Government.

Then 9/11 happened and that thought vanished!

[clone1018 4]

This subject offends me BEYOND belief.

 

May I request it be closed?

[Marked 197]

Understandable, though in fairness to others I'll leave it open unless other members also complain. Feel free to PM if anyone feels the same way as clone.

[Jesse66126 4]

Sorry for making it a public poll. I'd never seen that option before,so I checked it off wondering what it did. Anyway,I deleted the poll.

 

@clone, 9/11 offended everyone. Honestly,I don't want to believe it wasn't a terrorist attack,but Bush is a liar. He lied and changed his story between every one of his speeches. My personal favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sulDYYAiCU&feature=related

 

Listen to his voice while he's talking,he even sounds like he's lying. I grow up with four sisters who lied to me all the time. People have a certain way of talking that you know they're lying.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Jesse66126

[Chief 30]

It sort of offends me, but not as much as an RKO topic, so I feela s though it can be left open... still not a conspiracy though, lol

[Kiriashi 117]

This subject offends me BEYOND belief.

 

May I request it be closed?

 

I'm not too happy about this topic either, but its in the Mature Discussion section, so it would be unfair to others to lock it.

[Gwark 0]

I'm interested in why it offends people. I mean, sure it was bad, and a lot of people died that day, but having a decent (which we seem to be having right now) discussion about who may have been behind it all can hardly be seen as offensive in my opinion (again, no offence meant, and if you can explain to me why such a subject would be offensive then I will happily listen/read).

 

Also, I don't recall saying that Pearl Harbour was actually orchestrated by the american government, but they sure as sh*t knew it was coming. And 9/11 was absolutely positively just a way to recall the after-pearl-harbour feeling that many americans had so they could invade the middle east.

 

Also, anyone who replies to my first inquiry as to why you find this topic offensive with a whole pro american rant, will be smitten down hard, as I can tell you now america is not the greatest country in the world, and as much as it pains me to say it so undelicately (as 9/11 was in every which way a great tragedy) they had it coming.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

I'm interested why it offends people as well :o

 

We're talking about the possibility that these attacks were staged. I don't know about you, but I want to live in a country I don't feel attacked itself and all evidence, science, physics and more, points to it being incredibly illogical.

 

I bring up again though, for those who wish to continue the discussion.

 

Why is it, that 9 of these hi-jackers are still alive? Did they become super sayians, or immortal? Why is it that these people who drove a plan into a building, or into the ground, still exist but the civilians in the plans, all died?

 

Again, illogical.

 

I'd also like to point out (again?) that Bush knew about the First Tower falling before it fell. He didn't do anything when he got call about the hi-jackings -- he was teaching children or something -- but he didn't even bother to tell the nation, or the people in New York, the placed he was told these plans were heading.

 

Now, this has never happened before in the history of man since Jets were created. Why was it on 9/11 did the Army decide to take 40 minutes to scramble up at least 1 Jet? These things have been done and in the air in less than fifteen. These Jets were designed to get from place to place incredibly fast, but it picked that day to become the world's slowest Jet launch? Again, illogical.

 

Now, let's talk about Building 7 and why it was targeted, or why these "terrorists" targeted a empty room in the Pentagon? Obviously these terrorists wanted to kill as many people as possible -- why a empty building (Building 7) and why an empty wing (Pentagon)? Something is wrong here and I want to know what, especially since a attack on the Towers happened before in 93 and the nation decided to perk up defenses, but on 9/11 the nation is suddenly the slowest its ever been, Jets are up in the air unless its been an hour, Terrorists attack two empty places but target a place full of civilians? Isn't it weird that no politician, or a person in the Pentagon, died?

 

If Bush knowing about the Tower falling before it fell is enough, then the nation needs to wake up and face the truth.....

[Blackbound 4]

... is it wrong of me to want to move to canada now?

[Marked 197]

Also, I don't recall saying that Pearl Harbour was actually orchestrated by the american government, but they sure as sh*t knew it was coming. And 9/11 was absolutely positively just a way to recall the after-pearl-harbour feeling that many americans had so they could invade the middle east.

I didn't say it was orchestrated by the US government either, I was mostly agreeing with you apart from the US didn't play a bigger role in 911.

 

Also, anyone who replies to my first inquiry as to why you find this topic offensive with a whole pro american rant, will be smitten down hard, as I can tell you now america is not the greatest country in the world, and as much as it pains me to say it so undelicately (as 9/11 was in every which way a great tragedy) they had it coming.

I'll just warn you now, be careful what you say because most members are from the US and we don't want to start any flaming... even if it's the truth or not, you understand right? I'm not trying to censor you or anything.

 

 

As a person who lives outside the US, even I can understand why someone would find it offensive. It would slightly piss me off to have my own government accused of killing its own people when I believed absolutely that it did not.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

No, not really.

 

I doubt Canada would do this to its own country.

 

And people thinking America wouldn't, England is a lot like us and guess what? They did a bombing to themselves to start war, with Spains help who also did it to themselves. So its not really "impossible" to think about. It can happen. :0

 

EDIT:

I just want the truth to come out. Way too many contradictions on Bush's and the Gov's part at the time. Firs they say Iraq did it, and then they say they didn't and that they shouldn't be blamed. And before that, Bush knew about the Towers falling.

 

How can anyone explain that to anyone? How did he know the First Tower would go first? >.>

Edited September 18, 2010 by CrimsonInferno

[Leon 55]

Although the truth is a good thing, Crimson, sometimes it is better not to come out with it. Ignorance is bliss, unfortunately.

[CrimsonInferno 35]

Although the truth is a good thing, Crimson, sometimes it is better not to come out with it. Ignorance is bliss, unfortunately.

To me, ignorance is like hell. I don't ever want to be ignorant of a Government & President designed to take order from us, not the other way around :/

 

In my case, I would rather know where I stand and if I need to leave this country as fast I can......

[clone1018 4]

Calling something my uncle died in a joke is very offensive.

[Marked 197]

Condolences for your uncle. No one is saying this is a joke, no one ever would. There is doubt (clearly not in some peoples mind) about who is to blame for this, and that is the topic being discussed here. If your mind is absolutely made up, there is no reason to view the topic any further, particularly if it offends. It's kind of a policy not to act on one members feelings alone, there's always outliners right? If I get a PM or any other member would like this topic closed, I'll be happy to oblige. I think this is the fairest way.

[Chief 30]

pssht, who would move to Canada? Its all about Austrailia. Or NZ, but I think Aus is cooler, haha, sorry Marked.

[Gwark 0]

Calling something my uncle died in a joke is very offensive.

 

 

I never called it a joke. 9/11 was a very serious matter. I just question whom was behind it, and if indeed it was orchestrated by the US government, then wouldn't it be an even more serious event? And wouldn't you rather the actual truth came out?

 

 

Marked: Yes I understand I am in dangerous waters.

 

I do wish to apologise for the tone in my last post. I had just got back from work and was very tired. I still stand behind what I wrote, however in retrospect I could have chosen my words more carefully.