Do you believe sexual sins?

[FranklinX 37]

There are a few sins that really give me some concern. Most sins are morally wrong because they cause social harm. That is very understandable. If something can cause someone harm then it should be immoral. However, most sexual sins don't seem to cause social harm except for when a spouse commits adultery and rape. Since there is no social harm then I wonder why they are considered morally wrong.

 

Is sexual lust morally wrong? Let's look at this. Everyone has seen someone who turned them on. Can humans honestly control their hormones to the point they cannot get sexually turned on?

 

Another issue is homosexuals. Is being a homosexual causing social harm? Not really. If two men or two women are having sex(assuming none are married) then no one is being harmed in any form physically, mentally, nor economically.

 

Is watching porn wrong? Again assuming the viewer is not married. No one is getting socially harmed.

 

Is paying for sex wrong? If the customer is not married then I don't see the problem as long as protection is used.

[Marked 197]

I think one of the main issues here is the Bible (or other such religious devices) which may say that certain sexual things are wrong. It is argued that, the Bible is used as a form as control.

 

Sexual lust isn't morally wrong. No offense to those who think otherwise, but it's just the way humans are. It's just stupid to think its wrong, because its built-in.

 

Homosexuality, pornography and prostitution all involve socially acceptable standards. Anal sex was only made legal in the 1980's in New Zealand (I have a legitimate reason for knowing that). In 2011 I think all 3 are socially acceptable. Religion complicates things, but there a lot of people who simply claim to have a religion and not practice it. Wonder why that is.

 

I can't remember what year it was but I recall our Parliament discussing whether to make prostitution illegal or not, and they decided that it was to remain legal. I think making prostitution illegal is a bit silly where it is a mutually beneficial transaction.

 

 

By the way, what do you mean by a sin?

[FranklinX 37]

A sin is an act against God's law. Therefore you will be punished for breaking his law. The Punishment for sin is death, but Jesus saved Christians from this punishment when he was killed.

[ForeverZer0 44]

Although sexual sins are not "more evil" than other sins, the Bible warns that they are an especially dangerous and destructive one. Here is one of many warnings found in the Bible:

 

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

- 1 Corinthians 6:18

[Noob Saibot 38]

The bible is like a message. If I tell someone a message and they pass it on to the next (and so on) then eventually they will edit and add what they wont. I believe this to be true when it comes to the bible. Over the years people have added what they feel is right and wrong.

[ForeverZer0 44]

The bible is like a message. If I tell someone a message and they pass it on to the next (and so on) then eventually they will edit and add what they wont. I believe this to be true when it comes to the bible. Over the years people have added what they feel is right and wrong.

 

Whether that came from the Bible, or homeless Bob down the block, it is still true if you actually process the information logically, instead of just discounting it out the gate because "it came from the Bible", and being a supposed atheist is the new "cool" trend these days.

 

Prepares for the slew of people to attack

[Noob Saibot 38]

Whether that came from the Bible, or homeless Bob down the block, it is still true if you actually process the information logically, instead of just discounting it out the gate because "it came from the Bible", and being a supposed atheist is the new "cool" trend these days.

 

Prepares for the slew of people to attack

 

I will not lie. I am confused. Please elaborate on what you said is relevant to what I said?

[ForeverZer0 44]

1. I quoted a Bible verse.

2. You discounted it, and basically said the Bible is not a reliable source.

3. I explained to you that where it came from does not change the simple logic.

 

I fail to see how that is confusing, but I hope my explanation is helpful for you.

[Marked 197]

A sin is an act against God's law. Therefore you will be punished for breaking his law. The Punishment for sin is death, but Jesus saved Christians from this punishment when he was killed.

In that case, nevermind. I'm outta this one :P

 

Whether that came from the Bible, or homeless Bob down the block, it is still true if you actually process the information logically, instead of just discounting it out the gate because "it came from the Bible", and being a supposed atheist is the new "cool" trend these days.

 

Prepares for the slew of people to attack

Are you saying if you process information from the bible logically then you can see that what it says is true? No one's going to attack you here.

 

I agree with your sentence about trends in regards to young impressionable teenagers. I saw a few girls in my year at school turn christian just coz there new best friend was. And that was the only reason.

[Noob Saibot 38]

1. I quoted a Bible verse.

2. You discounted it, and basically said the Bible is not a reliable source.

3. I explained to you that where it came from does not change the simple logic.

 

I fail to see how that is confusing, but I hope my explanation is helpful for you.

 

First off why are you getting butt heart about my opinion? Plus I am not atheist so your assumption that I am, simply because of my comment about the bible is irrelevant. First off I did not quote you directly so I was not telling you directly that your quote from the bible was fictional. Any person with common sense would know that the bible is the oldest book thus man has added what they feel is right and wrong throughout the years.

Edited May 22, 2011 by Kage Kazumi

[CrimsonInferno 35]

I will try and answer as honestly as I can. Even if I wasn't religious, I wouldn't find it wrong, per-say, to be a sexual luster (the term?). I happen to believe, through personal feelings unrelated to religion, going around having sex with people you don't care about, is wrong (but nothing Sinful, but then again I am not the Judger nor God, I shan't cast the Stone). Sex should be something you give to a special someone, something so important and so full of love, it wouldn't be "self" right to just "give" away to just anyone.

 

Prostitution is another subject for me, one that deals with my views as a woman and why it is wrong. It has nothing to do with religion, that's for sure. >.>

I just find Porn freaky, so I can't answer that one. :P

 

May I say something? :sweatdrop:

 

If I may;

 

 

The Bible is a collections of Parables, advice and the Guidelines to keep people from doing wrong. A lot of which was written by Evangelical authors, yes, authors. But no, that doesn't mean the Bible is a work of fiction or a story. Jesus and the Apostles, all of them, didn't have enough time personally (Jesus Christ was betrayed at a young age) write and guide the peoples, so Evangelicals wrote most of what they could. But one has to remember that these were mostly Parables, advice and guidelines.

 

The Good Samaritan? That's a Parable and advice from Jesus. The verse where Jesus Christ stops a woman from being stoned? That's all three of them. When Jesus said he wasn't there to abolish the law (old), that doesn't mean he wasn't there to change it or to offer insight and greater knowledge of God. We use the OT, Old Testament, to guide us through the New Testament (Aka, Jesus's writings, in simpler words :P) and remind us of the OT.

 

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

- 1 Corinthians 6:18

Well, you also have to post Paul's works. Were he further explained "sexual immortality". Which is, according to my studies and my learning of Greek and what is widely known now -- Sexual immortality is the abuse of sex. Meaning going around and well, you know. Raping people etc. It doesn't mean Sex itself, is bad or immoral. Paul explained it when he walked in on the Temple Priests -- I hope I can say this here >.> -- having sex with prostitutes who were young boys.

 

A lot of people confused or don't know, what the meaning of the word Paul created to call them. It roughly translates as "dirty old men", but it was the first term ever, to refers to "Pedophiles" and also used to described the men as abusers of Sex and God's love (These priests weren't of God, but of gods). And through this massive, and admitted, mistranslation and inaccurate definition, people -- christian and non-christian -- like to belief its talking about sexual orientation. When this is never, ever directed or talked about by the Bible, OT or NT nor by Jesus Christ, Paul or any other Evangelical Religious (not some priest or anything) figure of the Bible or God.

 

Just wanted to say that. If it didn't make sense, please say so. I will gladly re-word it *is tired, very tired and Dyslexic..*

 

 

[ForeverZer0 44]

I apologize for the assumption, I was wrong to make it.

 

You are right. I am wrong. I am done posting in this thread.

[Marked 197]

*steps down from admin post*

 

Discussion about religion is pointless... You may as well try and tell each other how long a piece of string is.

 

*steps back*

 

No offense Crimson, I know you study it and I don't mean it in that context.

[Noob Saibot 38]

If I may;

But no, that doesn't mean the Bible is a work of fiction or a story.

 

Well I never said that (not saying you did reply to me). Personally I just believe that some parts of it are not that of what it used to be. You can not tell me that some jane doe did not add her (their) own ideas to it over the years; you can no more prove this than I can prove my opinion; but my opinion is quite logical to some degree.

 

 

I apologize for the assumption, I was wrong to make it.

 

You are right. I am wrong. I am done posting in this thread.

 

Do you try to act like a child? if your going to get butt hurt over someones opinion then my advice to you is to grow up!

 

*steps down from admin post*

 

Discussion about religion is pointless... You may as well try and tell each other how long a piece of string is.

 

But a piece of string can be proven how long it is... You may as well try and tell each other that Big Foot exists.

Edited May 22, 2011 by Kage Kazumi

[FranklinX 37]

I will try and answer as honestly as I can. Even if I wasn't religious, I wouldn't find it wrong, per-say, to be a sexual luster (the term?). I happen to believe, through personal feelings unrelated to religion, going around having sex with people you don't care about, is wrong (but nothing Sinful, but then again I am not the Judger nor God, I shan't cast the Stone). Sex should be something you give to a special someone, something so important and so full of love, it wouldn't be "self" right to just "give" away to just anyone.

 

What social harm has been done by hooking up with people? Is this really sexual abuse? Who is getting harmed? No one. This is between single people.

 

So you must only have sex with a special someone? If you don't find a special someone then you must live without sex? There is nothing wrong with having sex with anyone who is single like yourself. You aren't disrespecting your body. You are allowing someone to make you feel good. Sex is very healthy mentally and relieves stress.

 

When did sex become full of love? Love in marriage wasn't an idea until the 1900s. Previously marriage was looked at economically for the couple to support each other(still happens today, but people deny it).

[Marked 197]

Do you try to act like a child? if your going to get butt hurt over someones opinion then my advice to you is to grow up!

You've been here for years Kage but I still gotta increase your warn meter for that. Not cool, please do not make posts like this, totally unnecessary and against the rules. I just told him that no one was going to attack him, and what I meant by that was, a post just like this. Even if he did something that warranted a negative response, retaliation still isn't the correct way to respond.

[laansolo 3]

Is sexual lust morally wrong? Let's look at this. Everyone has seen someone who turned them on. Can humans honestly control their hormones to the point they cannot get sexually turned on?

 

Another issue is homosexuals. Is being a homosexual causing social harm? Not really. If two men or two women are having sex(assuming none are married) then no one is being harmed in any form physically, mentally, nor economically.

 

Is watching porn wrong? Again assuming the viewer is not married. No one is getting socially harmed.

 

Is paying for sex wrong? If the customer is not married then I don't see the problem as long as protection is used.

 

I may not be religious, at all, but I have to say I agree with you on this.I also have to say that maybe Kage and Forever are getting a little too much into this. I understand that Forever may have been the instigator, but that does not mean that Kage had to retaliate. Debate, and move on. A good standard when opposing views (or you dont agree with someone) are at conflict with one another.

 

i also have to say that I strongly dislike it when peopel who beleive in god say that homosexuality is a sin. i may have never read the bible, but my grandma has. multiple times. its kinda embarrasing. and anyway, from what she says about it, no where in there does it say that homosexuality is a sin. pleaese dfont say that I am classifying all christians, I am just saying that. besides, there would still be plenty of people against anything they would call "gay", because they refue to beleive that there is nothing wrong with same-sex love/marriage/sex/parenting. That is all I will say on the matter. I dont want to be swept up in much of anything.

 

one last note, though, i have 2 last things:

 

1. Bigfoot exists! :V

2. While you may beleive that atheism is the "cool" trend, Forever, it is still a small following, and while I say I am atheist (not anti-theist, thank you, Crimson, for pointing that out to me) it does not mean I do it because my best friends are atheist. i have 50 friends, most are christian, and only 1 is atheist. Im atheist because I try to be scientific in all evaluations, and in all cases except for those that pertain to religion, I am able to be un-biased in decision making. everyone is capable of good. Everyone.

Edited May 22, 2011 by laansolo

[CrimsonInferno 35]

@Marked:

 

I understand. Debate over religious things or information, is rather pointless, I wasn't really trying to debate, just to clear up some facts :)

 

@Kage Kazumi:

And I agree with you. We don't know what has been added, edited or lost its true meaning or form, over the years. There have been so many translations of the Bible it is very logical. I agree.

 

@RATED-RKOFRANKLIN:

Though it was just how I feel about the issue, I don't really mind people going around and sleeping with each other. I just feel that sex isn't something to just give to people you don't care about. If you are single and you care about that person, go ahead. That's just how I feel about it...

 

I would never force what I believe on others, but yes, if I don't find anyone I care about, I'm not going to have sex. Just how I feel. Sex isn't love nor does it show love, but if you love each other, its an expression. It, the act itself, is not "the" love between the people, its the show of love and commitment between the two.

 

Yes, back in the olden days a lot of sons and daughters were practically sold (arranged marriages) by their fathers and mothers, who sought to in sure a better life for themselves and their children. I agree, but there were loads and loads of people marrying each other because of love too.

 

@laansolo:

I dislike it too, laansolo. :(

 

It makes me curious though. Why would someone say it, if its not true? Why would someone give a word that has a meaning, a new meaning and destroy the old meaning? It makes no sense. Never mind, don't answer that, not part of the discussion I guess...>.>

[Marked 197]

@Marked:

 

I understand. Debate over religious things or information, is rather pointless, I wasn't really trying to debate, just to clear up some facts :)

I wasn't referring to your post actually, just since you posted in this topic I thought I'd say that. What I mean by pointless is the atheist vs christian (for example) stating their beliefs, whats true, not true etc. That is truly pointless in my opinion because there simply is no end.