Do push up bras take things too far?

[FranklinX 37]

I would like to know your point. What are you getting at?

[diagostimo 11]

How is plastic surgery wrong? What social harms are being done? Does it harm you that a woman had implants? It's her body and she has the right to make that choice.

 

When I had ear surgery was that wrong?

 

 

i meant on a moral bases that it was wrong, i accept the fact that one has the choices to approve or disapprove for there-selves, in my statement i did not say surgery of any sort is wrong, only that i thought getting a boob job was wrong, it does not enhance one health wise and imediatly has threats like any sort of surgery has, surgery has to be taken seriously and should not be used comercialy like you see with celebrities and that doing it to gain an extra bra size because they think there to small and/or is needed to be more atractive, im going to quote lizzi about the droopage lols, what is wrong with using natural methods of atraction and like lizzi said reducing droopage, because i would much prefer a girlfriend to wear them as it would more than likely boost our future confidence with each others physical appearance

Edited July 1, 2011 by diagostimo

[Marked 197]

I said "you are the one who is wrong" not "you are wrong". Learn your quotes.

 

 

 

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Lol when I made that post I had considered the possibility you would think that I was talking about you but thought it was very small. If I was I would have made the post 1 paragraph :P We still need to talk on msn. Get on msn.

 

 

In my opinion I don't think that surgery is morally wrong, just socially wrong. It may make you more attractive, but I don't think society accepts it as a 'good' thing to do yet. Personally, I'd take the girl without implants. I suppose plastic surgery conveys a sense of fakeness and a lack of security in the person. Celebrities is a different story though, they need to be attractive for their job. Probably coz they're too scared of a real job.

[diagostimo 11]

Lol when I made that post I had considered the possibility you would think that I was talking about you but thought it was very small. If I was I would have made the post 1 paragraph :P We still need to talk on msn. Get on msn.

 

 

In my opinion I don't think that surgery is morally wrong, just socially wrong. It may make you more attractive, but I don't think society accepts it as a 'good' thing to do yet. Personally, I'd take the girl without implants. I suppose plastic surgery conveys a sense of fakeness and a lack of security in the person. Celebrities is a different story though, they need to be attractive for their job. Probably coz they're too scared of a real job.

 

oh yes i would defiantly see it as socially wrong, and i agree about celebritys, but there will be a time when there fame is over people shun them for it, not like it matters, no matter how atractive a celeb may be i would never get in a relationship with them for the media factor, back to the moral point, i broke my nose around the age of ten and it has been of angle since(didnt get it broke back into place) i would consider it to be morally wrong for me to get a nose job as it is syntheticly replacing me with a nose that is naturaly not my own, and proves insecurity in myself, as the saying every scar tells a tale and is part of who you are

Edited July 2, 2011 by diagostimo

[FranklinX 37]

i meant on a moral bases that it was wrong, i accept the fact that one has the choices to approve or disapprove for there-selves, in my statement i did not say surgery of any sort is wrong, only that i thought getting a boob job was wrong, it does not enhance one health wise and imediatly has threats like any sort of surgery has, surgery has to be taken seriously and should not be used comercialy like you see with celebrities and that doing it to gain an extra bra size because they think there to small and/or is needed to be more atractive, im going to quote lizzi about the droopage lols, what is wrong with using natural methods of atraction and like lizzi said reducing droopage, because i would much prefer a girlfriend to wear them as it would more than likely boost our future confidence with each others physical appearance

 

Again, you cannot tell someone what he or she can do to change their looks. Some women want big breast to become more attractive. That's not morally wrong. No morals were broken. If it is wrong to get a boob job to become attractive then it is wrong to do anything to become attractive.

[diagostimo 11]

that is my opinion on the topic, i am not telling you that it IS morally wrong, that is just my opinion i will say it again in case you missed it, i accept the fact that one has the choices to approve or disapprove for there-selves, and where abouts did i say that people should not get a boob job because.....

[Leon 55]

one thing i must ask... why so much stock IN push-up bras. yes, they are a lie, but boys lie too. all dating is basically lying. You dont know someone til you live with them. That's when you learn about the person. Not from a push-up bra, or tight jeans, or dressing up for a date.

[Noob Saibot 38]

Push-up bras do more than add confidence. it is also added support AND actually helps reduce droopage.

 

 

So why do women wear a bra?

 

"Because breasts need to be supported."

 

This is largely a myth: "...wearing a bra... has no medical necessity whatsoever", says Susan M. Love, M.D in her "Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book". This is similar to the myth that women supposedly need corsets to support their stomach muscles.

 

Now, large-breasted women may need the support from bras. Jogging and other active sports may be painful even for medium-breasted ladies. This is, however, an individual thing, so do what is comfortable for you.

 

In one study, large-breasted women removed the weight of breasts from their shoulders for two weeks, either by going braless or by wearing a strapless bra. Only one woman chose a strapless bra and all the others went braless. The researchers monitored the women for muscle pain and tenderness. Seventy-nine percent of patients decided to remove breast weight from the shoulder permanently because it rendered them symptom free!

(Ryan, EL, Pectoral girdle myalgia in women: a 5-year study in a clinical setting. Clin J Pain. 2000 Dec;16(4):298-303.

 

Also, while bras do give breasts support, they do not ultimately prevent your breasts from sagging. Gravity will eventually take its effect. There is actually some evidence that bras can even increase sagging. One possible reason for that is that the breast has ligaments, and since other bodily ligaments can atrophy when not in use, the same might happen to the breast ligaments under the constant artificial support from the bra, resulting in increased sagginess. Another possible reason for bra-wearing increasing sagginess is IF a woman wears an ill-fitting bra, which may force some of the breast tissue to "migrate", resulting in differently shaped breasts than otherwise.

 

What causes sagging of breasts?

 

Sagging or drooping of breasts is a natural, inevitable process that happens to all women at some point - except those with fairly small breasts. The most notable sagging happens with the process called breast involution, but breasts can start drooping a little at any age, because they do NOT have muscles in them. They have ligaments and connective tissue. When the gravity pulls the breasts down, those ligaments and the skin can stretch, and so the breast then droops. This depends on the elasticity of your skin and of your ligaments, as determined by your genes and diet, and also on normal aging processes. Obviously large breasts will sag easier since the gravity is pulling them down more.

 

Breast involution is a process where the milk-making system inside the breast shrinks because it's not needed anymore. This happens either after weaning, or right after pregnancy if you don't breastfeed at all, or during menopause. When the tissues inside breast shrink, and the skin surrounding it doesn't, the breast can look 'empty' and saggy. Over time, some fat gets deposited back to the breast so it will look somewhat fuller but sagging usually remains.

 

Will bras keep the breasts from sagging?

 

Bras will keep your breasts from sagging while you're wearing them - but not for the remainder of time. There is no published medical literature showing that bras prevent sagging. Even the bra industry seems to know this, as the following quote illustrates:

 

"We have no evidence that wearing a bra could prevent sagging, because the breast itself is not muscle, so keeping it toned up is an impossibility. What it can do, particularly for larger-breasted women, is obviously to provide the comfort and the support. So, if a woman wants a particular breast profile, she will buy a particular brand, and that is what they're designed for. There's no permanent effect on the breast from wearing a particular bra. The bra will give you the shape the bra's been designed to give while you're wearing it. Of course, when you take it off, you go 'au natural.' "

executive John Dixey at Bras, Bare Facts documentary

 

However, there is some support for the idea that breasts in bras actually sag more (when bra is taken off). How could that be since the main idea of bras is to lift the breasts upward? The main idea is that the ligaments which support breasts in normal circumstances, would atrophy (get thinner and weaker) when breasts are immobilized within bras and don't have to bear their own weight.

 

There are lots of studies showing that ligaments and tendons in limbs do atrophy when the limb is immobilized. Bras obviously prevent the the natural slight up-down movement of breasts when we walk, and let shoulders bear the weight of breasts. If breast ligaments behave like limb ligaments, it may be a matter of "use it or lose it".

 

One study published on the subject of bras and sagging was done in 1991, in Japan. The study suggests that a bra can actually increase breast sagging rather than the opposite. The abstract says (emphasis mine):

 

"Eleven adult female subjects aged 22-39 years wore a certain brassiere for 3 months while anthropometry and moire fringe photographs on the anterior trunk were taken regularly once a week. After the 3 months, the brassiere was not worn for another 3 months. Then the measurements and photogrammetry were repeated for comparison using superimposed moire configurations. The results are summarized as follows. Regardless of slim or obese trunk, subjects with pendent breasts showed the highest degree of breast form "correction" from wearing the brassiere. In all subjects, after 3 months of brassiere constraint, the underbust circumference was smaller but the chest circumference became enlarged, the distance between the right and left nipples became wider, and the breasts tended to hang down. This change was more marked in obese subjects with pendent breasts. And when this type of subject wore a "well-fitted" brassiere for a long time, her breast form became developed, that is, her breasts hung down more."

Ashizawa K, Sugane A, Gunji T Institute of Human Living Sciences, Otsuma Women's University, Tokyo, Japan: Breast Form Changes Resulting From A Certain Bras

 

The French study the sagging and bra wearing even further

 

Another study with similar results was conducted in 2003 by Laetitia Pierrot and Jean-Denis Rouillon. In it, 250 women who practiced sports stopped wearing a bra for one year. They were followed regularly with questionnaires and biometric measurements. At the 6-week checkup, the ladies experienced some discomfort from abandoning the bra, but this disappeared later, and by the end of the year 88% of the women reported improved comfort compared to before the study.

 

The measurements showed firmer, more elevated and perkier breasts. For example, the distance from the nipple to the shoulder bone was reduced, which means the breasts sagged less. They noted a better muscular development in the rotator muscles of the shoulders and the pectoralis major. Also, stretch marks on breasts became less visible.

 

Sports bras and jogging

 

There is one more notable study concerning sagging and bra wearing, which found that jogging caused breasts to bounce enough to sretch the Cooper's ligaments inside the breast. Naturally, stretched ligaments would cause the breast to sag more.

 

The lesson to take home from this study is that if you engage in jogging or some other type of very active sport, sports bras are recommendable.

 

Conclusion

 

To prevent or lessen the eventual sagging that will come with age, let breasts be free of bras when you can so that the ligaments inside them can be "in use"; however protect the breasts from bouncing too much doing sports by using proper sports bras.

 

Proper nutrition will probably also be helpful to maintain elasticity of those ligaments and of the skin.

Edited July 4, 2011 by Noob Saibot

[Rose 3]

Breasts Are awesome. If ya ask me Just be glad you gotta a pair to touch. Who gives a fuck about the bra your tryin to get off anyway.