a stupid question

[Bob423 52]

i heard about some kind of survey thing, where they asked a bunch of people who would win in a fight, Goku, or Superman...

 

superman got the most votes. probably because most of those people didn't even know much about dragon ball, DBZ, or DBGT.

 

I'd say goku would win. no doubt.

 

my logic:

He's faster, stronger, and wouldn't even need to go super saiyan.

he can CATCH bullets. superman isnt fast enough, but they dont hurt him anyway.

not to mention goku has the determination to win any fight, eventually. even if he was losing, he would find a way to win, especially if he was helping a friend, or saving the world. Goku can shoot more kinds of beams and blasts out of his hands, feet and eyes than superman, who can only use his wimpy heat vision to melt things. Goku can destroy a planet if he wants to with one Kamehameha, and still have plenty of energy to fight. also, superman can't train away his one weakness like Goku did. (kryptonite, and tail, respectfully)

 

my evidence:

strength: Goku can move mountains while in super saiyan. This was in a movie that took place before the Buu saga, so i'm sure that, assuming the two fought after GT, that goku would be able to move a mountain much easier than he did then. Superman struggles to lift a sinking ship out of the water in a movie i once saw.

 

Speed: It has been said that it seems like goku can move at the speed of light. not to mention his son can catch bullets, so i'm sure he can to. if any super hero is as fast as goku, it's the flash.

goku can also travel across the galaxy in seconds via instant transmission.

 

beams and stuff: heat vision VS kamehameha...do the math. one can melt metal, the other can destroy a friggin planet.

goku used a foot kamehameha in a battle at the world martial arts tournament at the end of dragon ball, to propel himself towards piccolo jr.. he has used an invisible eye beam thing to dig a grave for vegeta on namek, and once to knock back omega shenron as SS4 Gogeta

 

planet vegeta = 10x earth's gravity.

Krypton = 1.2x earth's gravity (according to this site)

 

i rest my case. what do you think?

 

but honestly, this depends on when they fight. the earlier in dragon ball(all 3) they fight, the less of a chance goku has of winning.

Edited March 21, 2012 by Bob423

[Polraudio 122]

I would say superman would lose every fight no matter what. Goku would win no doubt.

[Bigace360 38]

I think this fight has been going on since the late 90's. Obviously Super Sayian and beyond goku would win, seeing as Super sayian 2 could use a half assed kamamaha to destroy the planet. Normal mode Goku after master Super sayain was already stronger then freeza (filler), so defeating superman shouldn't really be a problem. Shit can superman even beat Freeza? Before we even get to Goku.

[Bob423 52]

Yea, if vegeta can destroy a planet easily, before getting the crap beat out of him on earth, but was killed by frieza, i dont think superman would stand a chance against most of the dbz characters. more so the ones not from earth (and androids)

[Marked 197]

Does anyone else think that they aren't comparable?

 

The writers just had to keep things interesting... they only introduced krypontie into coz superman kept winning everything and its boring. In DBZ they had to keep increasing and increasing their abilities.

 

Seems pretty odd to me to compare in my opinion. But definitely superman as the stupidest superhero ever. His name is superman, which doesn't exactly ooze creativity, and it seems to me that he was invented to be invincible. So he gets my vote.

[Jon Bon 43]

Since they are both heroes we have to assume it is an honorable tournament style fight.

 

 

i heard about some kind of survey thing, where they asked a bunch of people who would win in a fight, Goku, or Superman...

 

superman got the most votes. probably because most of those people didn't even know much about dragon ball, DBZ, or DBGT.

 

I'd say goku would win. no doubt.

I am a huge fan of Dragon Ball (including Z and GT), I watched every episode the day it came out. I am also a huge DC Comics fan, and know tons about superman specifically. In my opinion Superman wins. I'll explain why at the end.

 

my logic:

He's faster, stronger, and wouldn't even need to go super saiyan.

You just pulled that out of thin air, wheres your proof hes faster or stronger? Super man can fly so fast that when he goes around the earth, time goes in reverse. Super man is also so strong he can move planets.

 

he can CATCH bullets. superman isnt fast enough, but they dont hurt him anyway.

LOL. One of Superman's main catches phrases is "Faster than a speeding bullet".

 

not to mention goku has the determination to win any fight, eventually. even if he was losing, he would find a way to win,

Really? Because Goku has died double if not triple the amount of times Superman has. In other words he fails more. Coming back means nothing if your wife and children are dead already.

 

especially if he was helping a friend, or saving the world.

Superman has saved, the world, the universe and multiple time space continuums.

 

Goku can shoot more kinds of beams and blasts out of his hands, feet and eyes than superman, who can only use his wimpy heat vision to melt things.

Sure but who needs heat vision hands when eyes is instant and directional pin point accuracy. Not to mention it doesn't 'melt' things it dissolved them at a molecular level, he isn't shooting heat, its radiation. Also no charging necessary, instant shot.

 

Goku can destroy a planet if he wants to with one Kamehameha, and still have plenty of energy to fight.

Superman can definitely destroy a planet

 

also, superman can't train away his one weakness like Goku did. (kryptonite, and tail, respectfully)

Kryptonite? Goku wouldn't use Kryptonite.

 

my evidence:

strength: Goku can move mountains while in super saiyan. This was in a movie that took place before the Buu saga, so i'm sure that, assuming the two fought after GT, that goku would be able to move a mountain much easier than he did then. Superman struggles to lift a sinking ship out of the water in a movie i once saw.

You have to assume we are talking both at full strength, you cant pit superman at the beginning of his career against Goku at the end of his career. Superman is a being too, he grows and gets stronger as well. Superman is known to have to always hold back every time he fights even the strongest of foes. Even when fighting Doomsday superman held back untill the last second, hoping he didnt have to kill him, but he did. Oh and before you say he died, he didn't, it was just a long sleep.

 

Speed: It has been said that it seems like goku can move at the speed of light. not to mention his son can catch bullets, so i'm sure he can to. if any super hero is as fast as goku, it's the flash.

goku can also travel across the galaxy in seconds via instant transmission.

Superman is much much fast than a gun. Superman can easily travel through time with his speed, Goku can not (or at least hasn't yet). Flash is faster than superman, but he is the only one to even come close. Flash is so fast if he goes maximum speed he ceases to exist, so it's not a fair comparison.

 

beams and stuff: heat vision VS kamehameha...do the math. one can melt metal, the other can destroy a friggin planet.

goku used a foot kamehameha in a battle at the world martial arts tournament at the end of dragon ball, to propel himself towards piccolo jr.. he has used an invisible eye beam thing to dig a grave for vegeta on namek, and once to knock back omega shenron as SS4 Gogeta

Supermans heat vision is directly related to his current power level which is based on his current level of absorption of the suns solar rays. His heat vision is much much stronger when he is full strength then when you see him just flying around kicking butt.

 

planet vegeta = 10x earth's gravity.

Krypton = 1.2x earth's gravity (according to this site)

i rest my case. what do you think?

 

Goku withstand 100x earths gravity when training, not just 10x. Superman obviously moves as fast if not faster than Goku because of his time travel abilities, so it's safe to assume he can move fast under heavier gravities. Also I know for a fact superman has been on heavy gravity planets, but I can't say for sure if it was 100x earths gravity.

 

but honestly, this depends on when they fight. the earlier in dragon ball(all 3) they fight, the less of a chance goku has of winning.

 

You have pit them both against each other at the best and strongest written points in their career. Superman has seldom struggled with gravity on any planet, and he has done much space travel. Superman regenerates very quickly by direct sun light, as long as the tournament happens anywhere with sun, Superman regenerates. He has even come back from near skeleton, so; similar in regen power to Wolverine. Goku would not use beans to heal because its an honor fight. Superman has never technically been defeated, Goku has.

 

Superman can withstand an atomic blast and is immune to all forms of disease and radiation other than red sun of krypton. Superman has an eidtic memory, meaning he would memorize Gokus martial arts moves and be able to counter them almost instant, he is also a genius level intellect, which Goku is not. Superman can also hypnotize people, and Goku is definitely susceptible to hypnotism.

 

Goku is definitely awesome, but I am sorry Superman wins. Why? Because he is one broken ass hero, with little to no weakness, which is why kryptonite was invented. The only way Goku would use it is if Superman was evil, which defeats the purpose of the debate.

[Bigace360 38]

Super man is also so strong he can move planets.

 

You do realize a man of superman size can not move planets, he would just drill a hole through it. He is not titan size, he has a humanoid body with small hands. Him being able to lift things too large for the human hands to keep intact without crumbling or just going straight through it is a form of telekinesis. Also didn't he have the help of wonder woman and Martain Manhunter in one comic.

 

LOL. One of Superman's main catches phrases is "Faster than a speeding bullet".

 

True, but still wouldn't need to catch them, they'd just crumble upon impact lol.

 

Really? Because Goku has died double if not triple the amount of times Superman has. In other words he fails more. Coming back means nothing if your wife and children are dead already.

 

Can we really count Goku's deaths,

First time: Goku wasn't even close to vegata or freeza's level, he was practically a very strong human.

Second time: Alternate time line, virus I think this is the only that counts.

Third time: Cell exploded that took out an entire cosmos, could superman survive that?

 

Superman has saved, the world, the universe and multiple time space continuums.

 

Goku did all, but the space time continuum seeing as the creator didn't expand past that and superman has multiple comics compared to Dragon Ball.

 

Sure but who needs heat vision hands when eyes is instant and directional pin point accuracy. Not to mention it doesn't 'melt' things it dissolved them at a molecular level, he isn't shooting heat, its radiation. Also no charging necessary, instant shot.

 

Goku can fire off rapid firing Ki blast instantly. Plus he can teleport to a safe distant charge up his kamamaha and then instance teleport back to blast it in his face.

 

Superman can definitely destroy a planet

 

Probably with a sneeze lol.

 

Kryptonite? Goku wouldn't use Kryptonite.

 

True, First of all where would he get from, unless Balma went looked for some (she would have to steal from batman seeing as superman threw the rest at the sun). He wouldn't have it. Second he's not vegeta or Yamacha, Goku and all his kids would want to fight superman at full strength, meaning during the day time.

 

Also as another weakness, unlike Vegeta, Goku can't fight in space.

 

You have to assume we are talking both at full strength, you cant pit superman at the beginning of his career against Goku at the end of his career. Superman is a being too, he grows and gets stronger as well. Superman is known to have to always hold back every time he fights even the strongest of foes. Even when fighting Doomsday superman held back untill the last second, hoping he didnt have to kill him, but he did. Oh and before you say he died, he didn't, it was just a long sleep.

 

You forgot about Darksied, seeing as he was wooping supermans ass as well.

 

Could Superman destroy SSJ3/4 Goku, SSJ3 can already rip dimensional holes with a screech (Gotenks?) and just powering up causes drastic changes to the weather. However half way through the battle superman would probably have the advanage as SSJ3 drains to much energy. SSJ4 however does not, I have no clue how a Full power superman and SSJ4 goku would go. However is superman stronger then Cell who can destroy planets or an entire galaxy if he uses his Solar Kamehameha(SSJ2 Gohan vs. Super Cell) and Marjin Buu/Broly who could easily destroy galaxies. If not, goku wins easily.

 

Superman is much much fast than a gun. Superman can easily travel through time with his speed, Goku can not (or at least hasn't yet). Flash is faster than superman, but he is the only one to even come close. Flash is so fast if he goes maximum speed he ceases to exist, so it's not a fair comparison.

 

Piccolo stated that his special beam canon is as fast as the speed of light (Goku/piccolo vs. Raditz).

So Raditz who can dodge way back at the beginning of dragonball z, I'm pretty sure Goku is way faster then the speed of light by then of Z or GT even especally in SSJ4 or even 3.

 

You have pit them both against each other at the best and strongest written points in their career. Superman has seldom struggled with gravity on any planet, and he has done much space travel. Superman regenerates very quickly by direct sun light, as long as the tournament happens anywhere with sun, Superman regenerates. He has even come back from near skeleton, so; similar in regen power to Wolverine. Goku would not use beans to heal because its an honor fight. Superman has never technically been defeated, Goku has.

 

I guess it would be like fighting cell or Marjin Buu seeing as they both were able to regenerate with the later having the most amazing regeration skills in the series. Only Ultimate Gohan and Vegito was able to ware him down before getting absorbed with the later doing it on purpose.

 

Superman can withstand an atomic blast and is immune to all forms of disease and radiation other than red sun of krypton. Superman has an eidtic memory, meaning he would memorize Gokus martial arts moves and be able to counter them almost instant, he is also a genius level intellect, which Goku is not. Superman can also hypnotize people, and Goku is definitely susceptible to hypnotism.

 

Son Goku knows no Atomic attacks but could destroy the whole universe with a full powered Kamamaha. Thats only if superman is faster then SSJ4 to read Goku's moves. True, Goku is an idiot when it comes to books (which is a good thing he's friends with Bulma), but a genuis when it comes to fighting. However he is a fast learner. True, unless goku has magic like piccolo, superman can use hypnotism.

 

Goku is definitely awesome, but I am sorry Superman wins. Why? Because he is one broken ass hero, with little to no weakness, which is why kryptonite was invented. The only way Goku would use it is if Superman was evil, which defeats the purpose of the debate.

 

Well actually if he was evil, he would use the spirit bomb. Since he's not the spirit bomb would just be waste of time. Plus goku would need a distraction long enough for him to create one.

Edited March 23, 2012 by bigace

[Jon Bon 43]

Superman can move planets. I based all my facts off the DC Encyclopedia.

 

Do some research.

[Bigace360 38]

@Jon Bon

 

Okay my bad

http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

However, then in '72 and '86, two different comics cut down his strength considerably. I guessed so doesn't look Haxed against his enemies in those two comics, I don't really know.

 

When Superman moved a planet, he should have actually drilled a hole in it. John Bryne stated that him being able to lift things too large for the human hands to keep intact without crumbling is a form of telekinesis, while other authors kinda strayed from the subject. Actually, he is in fact NOT able to be so strong that he is able to move a planet. His power to move planets is solely in his flight strength and speed. Now, how much could he hold if he were lifting a weight against the 1 G gravity that we have on Earth? Easy. 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons. To read more about this, go to: http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

Now, in the '49 comic, he moves a planet, but barely and very hard. In '72, he moves it with the help of Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Unfortunately, we do not know how much of the strength he is applying to this push. Maybe only 1% of the strength, maybe 99%. So we can conclude that Superman can in fact barely, but still can, move a planet, according to the 2 Superman comics(and only these two), “Superman #58” and “JLA vol. 3 #75”, out of the 8 Superman comics.

[Noob Saibot 38]

Interesting debate, but I say neither. Because in order for them to truly use their full power it would have to be a life-death contest which maybe Sayin Prince would enter and unless Earth was in danger neither would really have a reason to.

 

I think the question is who would win a fight using no powers.

[Bob423 52]

all good points, but i have one question...sayin prince? whats that?

 

you mean Vegeta? the saiyan prince?

 

(sorry just had to do that...nerd lol)

Edited March 23, 2012 by Bob423

[Jon Bon 43]

I already stated they both fight at full strength, so any writers nurfing is irrelevant. I also already stated they are fighting in an honorable tournament style battle. Supermans powers are mysterious and unknown to be limited. Goku is clearly limited, and his power is measurable, even when at his strongest.

 

You have failed to address the fact that Superman has an Eidetic memory (photographic memory) and would easily counter Goku's fighting style. Superman can also hypnotize people as well, and Goku is definitely susceptible. On top of all that Superman is genius level intelligence, Goku is known to be 'dumb' or 'simple' if you will. Those things factor more into him winning then anything else.

 

Superman wins because he is horribly written and designed to be unbeatable. Goku is a properly written character, with grow, flaws, etc. I am way more a huge fan of Goku, but it doesn't change how unbiased I am and I can clearly see Superman would win, it would be an epic fight, but Superman would eventually win. GOKU DOES NOT SUPER-HUMAN REGENERATE. Superman is healing the whole fight. And I consider them roughly even in strength.

 

When Marvel and DC had their amalgam series, the only one who could even theoretically stand toe to toe with Superman was Gladiator (Kallark) and the only reason Gladiator could fight him equally is because he is even more horribly written. Gladiator is as strong as his belief in what he is fighting for. So if he believes in it 100% he can not be beaten, period.

 

All in all Goku is far more realistic, you can't start saying "superman can't push planets, physics etc" because we are talking hypothetical worlds here. You have to accept whatever they can do in their own realm as fact. Goku is designed to be beatable, and there for add suspense, Superman is not. I have seen every episode of each series, and I read the JLA, I am not sure how more qualified to answer the question I could be.

 

EDIT* I didn't mention any telekinetic because it is not necessary considered cannon, and can't be clearly measured for the fight, so I left it out. If you include that in his powers list, that means his is like Gladiator and is as strong as his will of mind, which again makes him stronger than Goku, but I didn't really think he even needed that to win.

[Bigace360 38]

I already stated they both fight at full strength, so any writers nurfing is irrelevant. I also already stated they are fighting in an honorable tournament style battle.

 

No one said you didn't state these things, where'd you get that thought from?

 

You have failed to address the fact that Superman has an Eidetic memory (photographic memory) and would easily counter Goku's fighting style. Superman can also hypnotize people as well, and Goku is definitely susceptible. On top of all that Superman is genius level intelligence, Goku is known to be 'dumb' or 'simple' if you will. Those things factor more into him winning then anything else.

 

I didn't fail to address anything. You said he had photographic memory and I refruited by stating Goku's speed. If he can keep up with Goku's speed then he wins here.

 

I also said unless Goku can use magic which superman is susceptible to, Superman can get him due to hypnotism.

 

Another thing I said was goku was an idiot, which is why it is a good thing he's friends with Bulma. Go read my post as you appearently miss that.

 

Superman wins because he is horribly written and designed to be unbeatable. Goku is a properly written character, with grow, flaws, etc. I am way more a huge fan of Goku, but it doesn't change how unbiased I am and I can clearly see Superman would win, it would be an epic fight, but Superman would eventually win. GOKU DOES NOT SUPER-HUMAN REGENERATE. Superman is healing the whole fight. And I consider them roughly even in strength.

 

I agree with everything else you say here, but you forgot that Goku did fight Marjin buu who had better regenerations powers then Superman. The same with cell (to a very weaker extent). While Goku would probably still win do to Supermans briliant mind. Goku has already foughten a foe with an almost absolute regeneration ability coming back from a little puddle. But seeing as superman they would be fighting during the day time and we have no clue what happened after GT, I guess we'll have to say that superman wins.

 

EDIT* I didn't mention any telekinetic because it is not necessary considered cannon, and can't be clearly measured for the fight, so I left it out. If you include that in his powers list, that means his is like Gladiator and is as strong as his will of mind, which again makes him stronger than Goku, but I didn't really think he even needed that to win.

 

Actually almost all characters in dragon ball including Goku can use telekinetis so I have no clue what you mean by this.

 

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All and all, what makes superman win this fight like you said is his Brilliant mind and his regenerations rate / endurance (because it's daytime). Seeing as even Son Goku had problems with Marjin Buu and his regerations was probably the same but at a better rate.

Edited March 25, 2012 by bigace