[New]Web Developer Blog

[Noob Saibot 38]

So I am making a layout for my topic Software List in the Other Engines forum and well messing with the HTML & CSS it was starting to come together. However, I ran into a snag as either my HTML or CSS was messing stuff up and not looking how I want it.

 

So I went to Dynamic Drive (.com) and requested some help. And of course someone posted all my HTML & CSS in a simplified and working order. I will admit it would have been nice if they told me what was wrong with that way I could have learned something from it.

 

In any case, it got me thinking how dry I am in the web development area and need to come up to speed on the latest and newest stuff going on in the Web Development area. So I decided to join P2PU (Peer 2 Peer University) and signed up for their WebCraft tutorials (or courses if you want to call them that). Their "assignments" are really basic stuff and I could probably skip a lot of them, but I decided to play it out and do them all.

 

One of these assignments was to create a blog. However, I already have one so I just went and made one specific to Web Development. I'll be posting all my assignments from this P2PU as well as posting about my own projects at my new blog: Web Developer.

 

My next assignment seems a little fun. I have to go out side and take pictures of itmes in the real world that could relate to HTML. So for example people standing in a line:

 

<ul>
{li}{/li}
{li}{/li}
</ul>

 

*Had to remove the < > brackets because the forum kept removing them...odd.

 

Might be interesting.

 

~Keven

Edited October 14, 2012 by Noob Saibot

[Marked 197]

Interesting :D I think the HTML and CSS more fit the label of design rather than development. If you really wanted to take the fast route, you should just dive straight into PHP and make some apps. I've never done any tutorials on HTML and CSS (aside from googling what certain things do) and they both just developed as I made things in PHP.

 

It really depends on what you're wanting to do. After this you may be really good at HTML and CSS, and that's great, but you can't make a site with that. Unless its a static site. And even a static site, with HTML alone, you actually have to copy and paste html pages and you're duplicated you code over and over. So if you ever wanted to make websites or extend current websites, the html and css part is like the bit at the end of it, and quite a small part. Unless, of course, you're the UI guy.

 

I find this really useful: http://css3generator.com/

[Noob Saibot 38]

Interesting :D I think the HTML and CSS more fit the label of design rather than development. If you really wanted to take the fast route, you should just dive straight into PHP and make some apps. I've never done any tutorials on HTML and CSS (aside from googling what certain things do) and they both just developed as I made things in PHP.

 

It really depends on what you're wanting to do. After this you may be really good at HTML and CSS, and that's great, but you can't make a site with that. Unless its a static site. And even a static site, with HTML alone, you actually have to copy and paste html pages and you're duplicated you code over and over. So if you ever wanted to make websites or extend current websites, the html and css part is like the bit at the end of it, and quite a small part. Unless, of course, you're the UI guy.

 

I find this really useful: http://css3generator.com/

 

Yes, I plan on diving into PHP and Jscript/Jquery as well. I don't have the money for a full college course, but I do have it for online work shops. In fact, after the holidays I'm going to sign up at here and taking their PHP, Java Script, Jquery, XML, & ASP. Because one of my future goals is to create my own CMS and Forum system.

 

EDIT: Plus P2PU has a couple PHP work shops/tutorials: https://p2pu.org/en/groups/schools/school-of-webcraft/

Edited October 14, 2012 by Noob Saibot

[Chief 30]

and quite a small part. Unless, of course, you're the UI guy.

 

Gah! I was completely offended, until I read "unless you're the UI guy" ... lol. I put just as much work into my front-ends as the back-end from the programmers that I work with.

 

Front-end is no small task. I started learning HTML when I was 11, and since I was younger and my brain could attain information must quicker and at a more solid state, I mastered it quickly. Learning at age 20 is much more difficult, but doable. I have recently been learning jQuery.

 

I do agree with you Marked, in that php should be learned. I know VERY VERY BASIC php, just enough to "include" things so that I don't have to copy/paste pages like you were saying. However, because my job is to focus on front-end, I generally don't have to worry about php. That's what my back-end guys are for.

[Chief 30]

Noob, you don;t need to pay to learn any of this stuff. I am 100% self taught in everything I know relating to the web.

 

(mod can merge these, jsut wanted to make sure he saw this)

 

and oh god! Don't give any money to w3schools!

They have extremely faulty information on soooo many things. They are not a legitimate source of information. DO NOT GIVE THEM AYTHIG.

Edited October 14, 2012 by Chief

[Marked 197]

Merge function is correctly broked :/

 

I agree, I wouldn't pay a cent to learn that stuff without a qualification at the end of it. There's way too much free stuff content out there and self teaching is superior to anything you can pay for.

 

I do agree with you Marked, in that php should be learned. I know VERY VERY BASIC php, just enough to "include" things so that I don't have to copy/paste pages like you were saying. However, because my job is to focus on front-end, I generally don't have to worry about php. That's what my back-end guys are for.

That's kinda my point, I was talking about if you're a 1-man team :P I may have been misleading when I said the programming part is bigger than the design part, I take back that statement. I probably said that because programming is a lot more advanced and html is very simple, css getting a bit more complicated. The point I really wanted to make is that if you're a one-man team, there's not much you can do with only html and css in your skillset in terms of making a website.

[Chief 30]

Well, w3schools is miselading in that they DO offer a certificate after completion of their studies. However, I think you should read this:

 

http://w3fools.com/

 

"W3Schools.com is not affiliated with the W3C in any way. Members of the W3C have asked W3Schools to explicitly disavow any connection in the past, and they have refused to do so."

 

"W3Schools offers certifications whose value is highly debatable… No employers recognize or respect W3Schools certificates. Unlike Microsoft’s MCP or Cisco’s CCC, W3Schools has absolutely no authority over the technologies for which they claim to provide certification. Unlike CompTIA’s ANSI/ISO accredited certifications, W3Schools has no support from governing standards bodies."

 

"W3Schools frequently publishes inaccurate or misleading content. We have collected several examples illustrating this problem below."

 

I recommend reading that whole site.

[Noob Saibot 38]

Well, w3schools is miselading in that they DO offer a certificate after completion of their studies. However, I think you should read this:

 

http://w3fools.com/

 

"W3Schools.com is not affiliated with the W3C in any way. Members of the W3C have asked W3Schools to explicitly disavow any connection in the past, and they have refused to do so."

 

"W3Schools offers certifications whose value is highly debatable… No employers recognize or respect W3Schools certificates. Unlike Microsoft’s MCP or Cisco’s CCC, W3Schools has absolutely no authority over the technologies for which they claim to provide certification. Unlike CompTIA’s ANSI/ISO accredited certifications, W3Schools has no support from governing standards bodies."

 

"W3Schools frequently publishes inaccurate or misleading content. We have collected several examples illustrating this problem below."

 

I recommend reading that whole site.

 

Yes, you are not the first to tell me not to use them. IN fact the people at Dynamic Scripts said to pay http://tizag.com/ a visit.

[Marked 197]

I've never thought much of w3schools. Only when I started out did I think its a good resource, but I do on rare occasions use it for reference. That's just my opinion, I haven't used many of these sites to learn. I find tizag is pretty much an alternative of w3 schools.

 

One way if you know you may not be getting this info available is if they use the old php functions to connect to a database:

http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_mysql_connect.asp

 

To use those are considered a sin in web development...

 

If you're going to pay, make sure you look around at all your option first. I find tutorials on general things in PHP so boring. I tried learning php from w3schools and gave up within a day. And that's saying something considering what I can do in PHP now. I learnt PHP from extending on top of joomla, maybe you could give that a go

[Noob Saibot 38]

In truth I would like to take a Work shop because I have tried self teaching myself stuff before and I find it boring. However, a class like environment or experience would be better for me.

 

~Keven