Bad Criticism

[FranklinX 37]

Yes, there is a such thing as bad criticism and here are the reasons why! The RM Community seems to lack some logic and common sense. Don't we all?

 

1. New Game Designers cannot make good stories.

I see this all of the time in posts in the RM Community. This makes no logical sense. Making a game and a story are two different things. Writing skills can be learn in life through school, and mostly does not come from making a game. Are you going to tell an award winning writer that he or she cannot make a good game?

 

2. Judging Fan Games without knowledge of the game series.

This is also common. Some people who never played certain games like Megaman, Sonic, and even Mario will judge the game as if they played the games before. It is not smart to judge something without knowledge. Go get the facts first before you open your damn mouth.

[Marked 197]

Did someone give you bad criticism about at your megaman project?

 

Well, I'm not sure about the 2nd point. I mean, a good is a good game, right?

[gizmo00999 1]

1. Yes, i doubt an award winning writer can just take and make a good game.

2. Alot of people may not know that your game is a fan game, so you must make your game appealing even if it's fan made.

[FranklinX 37]

1. Yes, i doubt an award winning writer can just take and make a good game.

2. Alot of people may not know that your game is a fan game, so you must make your game appealing even if it's fan made.

 

What does writing and making a good game have related to each other? They are two different types of skills. You don't need writing skills to make a 2D sidestroller game.

[gizmo00999 1]

Your such a confusing moron.

 

What does WRITING have to do with GAME MAKING? how the hell a writer knows how to make a game? Wtf? Ur like, one of the worst, and most confusing persons i have ever met, go back to kinder school, and annoy,confuse ur teacher.

[Valdred 1]

Calm down you #[sensor]# . :angry:

 

Everyone else than you perfectly understand what franklin says, so apparently it's not him, but you who has a problem.

 

/scold

[FranklinX 37]

Your such a confusing moron.

 

What does WRITING have to do with GAME MAKING? how the hell a writer knows how to make a game? Wtf? Ur like, one of the worst, and most confusing persons i have ever met, go back to kinder school, and annoy,confuse ur teacher.

 

A writer can make a good RPG game or any game in that matter. Writing skills and game making skills are two different things. However in the RM community it is considered new designers cannot make a story. A writer, cop, student, etc have the same opportunity to learn how to make a good game.

[Kiriashi 117]

A writer can make a good RPG game or any game in that matter. Writing skills and game making skills are two different things. However in the RM community it is considered you need both to make a good game which is not logical. A writer, cop, student, etc have the same opportunity to learn how to make a good game.

 

 

RKO, can you do me a favor and not respond to these types of posts? This guys is obviously not worth dealing with.

 

 

2. Judging Fan Games without knowledge of the game series.

This is also common. Some people who never played certain games like Megaman, Sonic, and even Mario will judge the game as if they played the games before. It is not smart to judge something without knowledge. Go get the facts first before you open your damn mouth.

:sweatdrop: I tend to do this sometimes. Sawwy. xD Though generally I tell people to give it up if they aren't positive they can handle it, because like %85 of fan-games die before they get to see the light of day. I just don't want people have to go through this, because they tend to give up on the maker entirely.

[gizmo00999 1]

Its just that he doesn't make sense, what does Being a writer have to do with making games? Sure you can have a hobby at writing, and your job/hobby as game-maker, that would make sense, but how in the hell for example J.K.R. could make a Game? She has NO idea how to do it, so besides writing skills, it also takes ALOT of experience and skills in order to make a game, also, you need to know something about art too, for example pixel art.

[Wyzrd 12]

Before you jump on here criticizing people saying they make no sense. Why don't you make a little sense first. You just said the exact same thing Franklin said in the first post. Writing and making games are two separate things.

[Noob Saibot 38]

Writing has every thing to do with making games RPG or not. ALL games have a story behind them (good or bad). Even Tetris had a story to go with the game play and what would Mario and Lugi do if it was not for the story behind the point of saving the princes? Game developers, game programmers, and game writers are ALL needed to make a game regardless of what that game is: puzzle, platform, maze, RPG, MMO, etc. Its just that in some cases the story plays very little (i.e Tetris) so most people don't know that it may have a story behind it. Arkanoid (Nintendo) also had a story, but was a simple puzzle game.

 

Now more modern 3rd party games like Tetris; copy cats have no story and the makers just went with game play. And Mega Man may be a side scroller platform, but it surly had stories to back up every game.

 

Also try reading GAME CREDITS you will note people labeled as WRITERS or STORY BOARD DIRECTORS!!!

[Joko 1]

I believe a game needs a story for example Legend of Zelda. I was mainly drawn to this game as a kid because it had a good "Story".

But also some games don't need a story at all like Pac-man or tetris. I believe that its kind a 50-50 it depends on the type of game.

I believe that rpg games should have a decent story unless its not intended to like a project someone did just because.

I say that in order to make a good game you need imagination... thats all just imagination. You can always get help in the other skills you need so there not as important.

[Guest Allen Hunter]

I agree 100% with RKO. Most young writers can not make good stories. Some people judge book by their cover.

[FranklinX 37]

I should have made the first point more clear. I am disagreeing about criticism in the RM community that states new developers cannot make a good story. Writing skills and game making skills are two different skills.

[Valdred 1]

Yeah, but Game-Making skill is not one skill either. It's a term that includes all skills used when making a game, which means also in most cases writing.

It includes design, music, writing, programming, and more.

[withinsin 0]

Your such a confusing moron.

 

What does WRITING have to do with GAME MAKING? how the hell a writer knows how to make a game? Wtf? Ur like, one of the worst, and most confusing persons i have ever met, go back to kinder school, and annoy,confuse ur teacher.

 

I've spotted 6 grammatical errors in your post. How can a serious game creater HOPE to make something good with spelling like that.

You speak like YOU'RE a moron that either doesn't have english as a first language or even more insulting, english IS your first language and you're ignorant about your OWN language. How dare you insult someone who obviously surpasses your own pitiful intellect.

 

On my own note, I'd like to add that writing is an important facet to making a good game, but it's not the only aspect to enact.

 

I agree 100% with RKO. Most young writers can not make good stories. Some people judge book by their cover.

 

 

First off, most young writers made their debut rather slowly. People fed them lousy criticism, and refused to acknowledge their writings until after they became famous for a seperate work, or until after they died.

During the time of Shakespeare, many people HATED his works, and often criticized him publically.

Age is often a misconception people place on writing, because many sucessful writers only appeal to younger READERS. It's hard for older readers to actually comprehend the younger writers' capabilities, because the older readers are still stuck on predispositions to older writers with a more old-school style of writing.

To be a sucessful writer, you must also be an open-minded reader ;]

 

I should have made the first point more clear. I am disagreeing about criticism in the RM community that states new developers cannot make a good story. Writing skills and game making skills are two different skills.

 

 

 

Judging from some of the games I've observed there are MANY people who lack both ingredients.

I'll disagree with the statement that game making is a skill, it is a concept.

A concept is more complex than simply learning how to make a game, it's capturing people by it's plot, creating characters who FEEL like actual characters,

and also of course making the world of said game.

It takes a handful of skills for game making, WRITING being not a required but a USEFUL one.

How else can you captivate gamers? By a new menu screen? Maybe by a new system, something that makes the game unique in some way, but ultimately the whole point is to

make a good game, right? Could you really accomplish such a feat without knowing how to write?

Dialogue and story are prequisites to the entire spine of the game.

 

I agree 100% with RKO. Most young writers can not make good stories. Some people judge book by their cover.

 

 

Some people "judge game" by their cover and fail to see the points of the plot.

 

I believe a game needs a story for example Legend of Zelda. I was mainly drawn to this game as a kid because it had a good "Story".

But also some games don't need a story at all like Pac-man or tetris. I believe that its kind a 50-50 it depends on the type of game.

I believe that rpg games should have a decent story unless its not intended to like a project someone did just because.

I say that in order to make a good game you need imagination... thats all just imagination. You can always get help in the other skills you need so there not as important.

 

 

 

Imagination helps when you can write, though.

 

Yeah, but Game-Making skill is not one skill either. It's a term that includes all skills used when making a game, which means also in most cases writing.

It includes design, music, writing, programming, and more.

 

 

Wow, my post was almost exactly this.

Too busy reading troll comments to actually observe substance.

Cheers! :alright:

[nanou-gr 5]

well, i believe that making a game takes a lot more than just eventing or making nice map, or having awesome battles, or a nice story. i believe that making a game that is worth it, needs all of it together. i dont know for sure if a single person can have all the tecnicall skills needed for a game to the same extend, but he has to know something! you cant make a game just with a awesome story and crappy grafs and think it's awesome. image is killng the story. and you cant make a game with awesome grafs and no story, because the player will get sick of t. i dont believe its a matter of age or experience, hiw well your result will be, but mstly a matter of will and perfectionism. always trying to be better and not being stuck with what you already have, that's what makes i game rock. i've been playing a series for a decade now. it started as fan made and the next parts became commercial. the writer is award winning now, but i still cerish far more his first parts of the story, because they were more authentic. everyone is different and it is wrong to judge in such a strict way. stop being mean and please, stop being rude to each other. it's just wrong.